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stankeylegjones said:
I doubt Seth is going to come back if there's any chance he's not starting next year. I think HD's meeting with EC (at least as reported by IC) points to their intention of starting Seth next year. Yes, they're are talking with 2 guards, we'll have to wait and see how is willing to come to UNC, given the high likelihood that they'd be playing behind Seth...unless for some reason they intend to move Seth to a different position.

IC is pretty clear that IJ is either going pro or hitting the portal.
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I dunno...it's all pretty speculative. I can imagine Coach Davis telling Seth that he can compete for the starting spot, but I can't imagine him guaranteeing it, especially given Seth's 3 point game.

I suppose we can come back to this page in a couple of months and know a lot more at that point.
 
stankeylegjones said:
Snoop, you follow along on IC so I'm assuming you saw where Ben (and others) stated that HD didn't think a backcourt of EC and Seth was a viable option. Not that they couldn't meet his expectations, or money, or EC wanted out (contrary, in fact). Nor did anyone say that HD tried to work anything out. IC was adamant that HD viewed the EC/Seth backcourt as not a viable option and that HD wanted Seth back, and that was the reason EC and HD split. So, while HD most likely did not tell EC to get out directly, his actions all but told him to hit the bricks.
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As I said, I think that HD/staff ultimately made the call on EC, but I don't think it was a thing where they've known they were "done" with him for any significant length of time yet strung him along or kept playing him despite thinking other players are better.

In some ways, I might otherwise sum it up as "during the season the focus is on the team, after the season the focus is on the players".
 
SnoopRob said:
As I said, I think that HD/staff ultimately made the call on EC, but I don't think it was a thing where they've known they were "done" with him for any significant length of time yet strung him along or kept playing him despite thinking other players are better.

In some ways, I might otherwise sum it up as "during the season the focus is on the team, after the season the focus is on the players".
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Oh, I agree. Never meant to imply that, if I did.
 
TarSpiel said:
I really, truly believe that people have given up on Tyson *way* too early.
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I think you could be right, but I don't know that there's any evidence that you're right.

Cade's play had serious holes when he was playing good minutes. The problem is when the team is as inconsistent as Carolina was this past year, it's hard to give a struggling player consistent minutes because the team is so often playing just to win that game.

If Cade sticks around, maybe he can get something of a consistent role next year.
 
TarSpiel said:
I dunno...it's all pretty speculative. I can imagine Coach Davis telling Seth that he can compete for the starting spot, but I can't imagine him guaranteeing it, especially given Seth's 3 point game.

I suppose we can come back to this page in a couple of months and know a lot more at that point.
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I could see him saying if you can shoot 35% from 3 you'll start.
 
superrific said:
What would he gain by transferring?
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Neither IC, nor anyone close to the situation has said, so this will be my own speculation. The logical reason would be that he either doesn't like UNC/staff/school/community or that he doesn't think spending another year at UNC will be as beneficial to achieving his self-stated goal of playing in the league. Reading through his interviews, it seems like he loves it there, so I assume he doesn't feel like HD/staff can develop his skills as well as someone else. (This take is biased by reading what cjones was posting the other day regarding EC leaving.)
 
cscott said:
Feels like Lubin and Trimble are the only ones coming back that actually played. Hopefully, Wilson and the other incoming freshmen still come. Seems they have their work cut out for them putting together a team thatvwill be better than this season.
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I’m fine with this. Those two, with maybe Powell, were the only ones who showed consistent fight and fortitude regardless of any personal or team up-and-downs.

They’re a very good starting point for team culture as upperclassmen.

Now go find some more dogs like them.
 
stankeylegjones said:
Neither IC, nor anyone close to the situation has said, so this will be my own speculation. The logical reason would be that he either doesn't like UNC/staff/school/community or that he doesn't think spending another year at UNC will be as beneficial to achieving his self-stated goal of playing in the league. Reading through his interviews, it seems like he loves it there, so I assume he doesn't feel like HD/staff can develop his skills as well as someone else. (This take is biased by reading what cjones was posting the other day regarding EC leaving.)
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If he loves it there and leaves because he doesn't believe they will develop him, we can kiss all 5 start recruits good by until there are changes in the staff to address that feeling.
 
It's not starting well.

The top 2 PG are both committed, not to UNC.

Now on IC they are saying that Davidson has eliminated us.

That one doesn't seem as bad as I prefer Gwath. But it looks like we had better be talking to everyone over 6'10".
It also seems that the Carolina Recruits for itself days are over. It seems that we had better show them the money early.

I'm really puzzled by what I'm reading about IJ. I really would prefer that he and Powell return.

I really like Seth and hope he stays his entire career. I just hope he improves that outside shot if he is penciled in as the starting SG.

247 sports shows 4 PGs that they have ranked higher than Cadeau. If we don't land a better PG, then it seems like a stupid move by the staff to let EC get away.

I've not read anything about us being in contact with Thomas, George, etc. The only people that I've read that we were in contact with have either already committed elsewhere or removed us from consideration. That sucks.

And, I'm not buying into that bullshit we had last year that they were in talks with players not in the portal yet. We see what that got us last year.
 
UNCatTech said:
doesn't believe they will develop him
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I have a hard time understanding this point of view. Do we not think Marcus is working with him every day? What does he want out of his "development" that only the coaches - and not he himself - can provide? I genuinely don't understand this critique.

EC had every opportunity to showcase his skills. And while he might not have had the ideal personnel around him to maximize his skill set, I don't understand why he and the staff couldn't have come to an understanding about the goals for our portal acquisitions.

I dunno. It just feels to me like it's more personal. That somebody didn't like somebody.
 
TarSpiel said:
I have a hard time understanding this point of view. Do we not think Marcus is working with him every day? What does he want out of his "development" that only the coaches - and not he himself - can provide? I genuinely don't understand this critique.

EC had every opportunity to showcase his skills. And while he might not have had the ideal personnel around him to maximize his skill set, I don't understand why he and the staff couldn't have come to an understanding about the goals for our portal acquisitions.

I dunno. It just feels to me like it's more personal. That somebody didn't like somebody.
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I believe stankey & atTech are talking about Jackson, not Cadeau.
 
SnoopRob said:
Cade's play had serious holes when he was playing good minutes.
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I dunno man. There were a lot games where I rewound them and just watched Cade the whole time, just focused on him. Then I'd go on IC and people would be like "He got abused on defense" and I'd shake my head...no he didn't. Did you even watch it?

I think there's a narrative about him that just doesn't fit what I saw with my own eyes. Now, obviously, I'm an idiot and the coaching staff knows more about basketball than I ever will, and they decided he wasn't helping us, but I still came away from most of those games thinking he played hard, sometimes (but not often) was out of position, sometimes (but not often) got beat off the dribble, and seemed decent in help and recovery plays, though there weren't really all that many of those. So I just think there's a narrative about him out there that everybody nods their collective heads to, but I watched for it & didn't see it. Maybe I just missed it, or don't know enough to know where to look.

And I do truly think he needs more consistency in the rotation to begin to get his stroke back. And when he does I think he can be a game changer.
 
UNCatTech said:
If he loves it there and leaves because he doesn't believe they will develop him, we can kiss all 5 start recruits good by until there are changes in the staff to address that feeling.
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If that is the reason, then I agree with you, and that is what cjones thinks is happening already (regarding the high-profile players).
 
If it’s true that Hubert and/or staff (and or new GM) motioned toward the door in the meeting with EC, and EC is leaving because it that, then I’ve lost a lot of respect for Hubert and staff. It’s been mentioned that he’s not leaving for more NIL. He’s certainly not leaving due to PT or starting position this past season. And I call BS about how the staff “didn’t help him develop” or whatever the hell that means.

If some dudes aren’t wanting to come to UNC - even though we’re showing them the money - then you have to ask why?
 
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