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Centerpiece said:
Sharing this now, even though it's from 3 or 4 months ago - maybe longer??? Anyway, the way Joel Berry talks about the team that we had at that time, I'm sorta glad to see most of them gone. If Joel Berry is accurate with his description of that version of the Carolina Basketball team (and he was, because we all saw it play out most of last season) then we simply didn't have enough dawgs and there wasn't enough grit and "want to". Was there some talent? Sure. But not enough "want to". Unfortunately that's been the case more often than not, save for a couple of seasons, even going back to the last 2-3 years of Roy's teams.

So, if we take a step back talent-wise, but two steps forward with grit and "want to" with this new portal group (BTW I think Seth is one of the few guys on last year's team that has/had the grit) then I think Joel Berry and I will be just fine, thank you.

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This is what I’ve been saying for months. All this time spent hand-wringing comparing last year’s roster to the upcoming one (as if it’s not apples to oranges) is totally irrelevant to me, because what I’m waiting to see is not just what the stats will look like, but *who the dogs are and how many there are.* Because last year there weren’t many at all. I don’t give the tiniest shit if the talent level slides or the record slides or they miss the tourney again. The far more important thing is that the culture rebuilds to the point where those alums like Joel come back for pickup games and know right away that the dogs are back, and the ship is being slowly steered back into the right direction.

If that means more people calling for HD’s head due to slow results record-wise, so be it. Would be a big mistake and very short-sighted IMO, but so be it. It’s a big-picture directional shift that’s needed, and is underway… and it’s been caused almost entirely by this new landscape and a struggle to adapt to it while still maintaining the old defining ideals. This goes back to Roy’s tenure and HD has had similar struggles. That’s clearly not been as easy to solve in the context of UNC basketball as many fans seem to think it is, and feel entitled for it to be. It carries a different weight than almost anywhere else. But it’s possible and attainable, and IMO nobody is more qualified or familiar with how to right that ship, in the right way, than HD.
 
farce© said:
Not for athletes. They are paid professionals honing their craft.
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I wonder how many college/university athletic programs operate at a loss these days? I understand that the aptly named "non-revenue" sports have long "fit that bill," but how many of those sports dubbed "revenue" are in the black (men's basketball and football)?

I'd venture that the vast majority (all?) schools categorized as Mid-Majors operate at a loss across the board.

I also understand that there are pro-college athletics arguments about 1) Branding -- the visibility of Coach Smith's "Front Porch," 2) Alumni fundraising/identification, 3) Campus culture (maybe even community culture in the few true "college towns" like Chapel Hill that remain), 4) Student recruitment/admissions -- we know that a high profile winner increases applications in the near aftermath, 5) Employment in the athletic fields (these programs do generate jobs -- "make work" if you will).

Don't get me wrong...I have loved college sports from first consciousness far more than professional and would welcome ways to continue that affair. It just seems increasingly difficult given that my own attraction to the university games is quite rooted in the student-athlete set-up. I've noted here before that I have closely followed Division III sports at times in my life and found it pretty satisfying. Hell, I even love a good Little League game. I attended a Mid-Major college baseball game for a few innings just yesterday in fact. Nary a one of the players on that field have any chance of being a professional but it was enjoyable just the same.
 
farce© said:
As a private entity they will probably try to skirt Title 9 requirements. This could spell the death of non-revenue sports.
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Well, presumably the university is going to receive licensing fees for the use of its name and trademarks. And one also supposes that the LLC will rent back the facilities. That would, I imagine, be enough for Title IX to continue to apply. I don't know title IX law hardly at all, and I'm not interested in looking up the details right now. My intuition says that the LLC can't evade Title IX just because it's incorporated on its own, so long as it continues to function as the athletic department for the University of Kentucky.
 
superrific said:
Well, presumably the university is going to receive licensing fees for the use of its name and trademarks. And one also supposes that the LLC will rent back the facilities. That would, I imagine, be enough for Title IX to continue to apply. I don't know title IX law hardly at all, and I'm not interested in looking up the details right now. My intuition says that the LLC can't evade Title IX just because it's incorporated on its own, so long as it continues to function as the athletic department for the University of Kentucky.
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Wouldn’t be surprised to see Congress formally amend Title IX - although that may be awkward given their sudden interest in the purity of women’s sport.

If Chevron had not been overturned, the Ed department could just issue a clarifying regulation, but oh well.
 
Calheel said:
Wouldn’t be surprised to see Congress formally amend Title IX - although that may be awkward given their sudden interest in the purity of women’s sport.

If Chevron had not been overturned, the Ed department could just issue a clarifying regulation, but oh well.
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The Ed department can still issue a clarifying regulation. It just would be easier to attack in court. In practice, I'm just not sure how much difference Chevron elimination will make (as we discussed last year when it happened). Gorsuch was never obeying Chevron in the first place. Any rule that can be evaded by judges' self-confidence will be evaded.
 
Rock said:
Don't read too much into this but feeling good about AS..
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The longer it goes, the better it is for us.

I do think he would really help to round out the starting lineup - with a nice balance of offense and defense in the starting five and proper height/skills at all five positions. Hopefully, Harrison is talking up HD, as I suspect that could be AS’s biggest concern right now.
 
Rock said:
Don't read too much into this but feeling good about AS..
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I'd say we have about a 1 in 2 chance...not too shabby. I'd be surprised if he'd made up his mind already, though.

I just hope we've got something on the back burner if he goes to Illinois. It is nice to know that we clearly have a pretty fad wad of money to throw at somebody.
 
I haven’t watched enough Stojakovic to have much of an opinion. But I do know that transferring from Stanford to Cal, and now considering Stanford again… makes me question his character a bit. Going from one to the other is just like transferring from dook to Carolina or vice versa. And then back again.

I’m guessing he didn’t like Haase who is of course a Roy system guy. It doesn’t scream that he’s a fit, and my gut is to just assume he goes elsewhere.
 
duluoz said:
I haven’t watched enough Stojakovic to have much of an opinion. But I do know that transferring from Stanford to Cal, and now considering Stanford again… makes me question his character a bit. Going from one to the other is just like transferring from dook to Carolina or vice versa. And then back again.

I’m guessing he didn’t like Haase who is of course a Roy system guy. It doesn’t scream that he’s a fit, and my gut is to just assume he goes elsewhere.
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It does feel like breaking up and then going back to your ex.
 
duluoz said:
I haven’t watched enough Stojakovic to have much of an opinion. But I do know that transferring from Stanford to Cal, and now considering Stanford again… makes me question his character a bit. Going from one to the other is just like transferring from dook to Carolina or vice versa. And then back again.

I’m guessing he didn’t like Haase who is of course a Roy system guy. It doesn’t scream that he’s a fit, and my gut is to just assume he goes elsewhere.
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He entered the portal a couple days after Haase was fired from Stanford. So maybe he liked Haase and part of the reason he transferred was because Haase would not be his coach the following season. But regardless of the primary reason, it didn’t have anything to do with Haase, since Haase was gone at that point.
 
I've only seen him in the game against us and I took another look at it. He's a smart player and nice vision - dropped some great dimes in the 2d half (first half he was a ghost). His foot speed is closer to Cade Tyson than Ian Jackson, he got abused off the dribble and on screens by Ian, Drake and RJ. He camps out at the 3 point line and doesn't crash the boards. On defense he has length but that's about it. Both Ian and Drake hit threes over him anyway.

Not sure why I care enough to type any of this. I'm just procrastinating on a Sunday. :geek:
 
duluoz said:
I haven’t watched enough Stojakovic to have much of an opinion. But I do know that transferring from Stanford to Cal, and now considering Stanford again… makes me question his character a bit. Going from one to the other is just like transferring from dook to Carolina or vice versa. And then back again.

I’m guessing he didn’t like Haase who is of course a Roy system guy. It doesn’t scream that he’s a fit, and my gut is to just assume he goes elsewhere.
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About 20-25 years ago, I worked for a Silicon Valley company. My boss was a Stanford guy - he’d been their deep snapper. He HATED Cal. HATED. ncsulol hate for UNC hate. Visceral hatred.
 
Zoo_View said:
About 20-25 years ago, I worked for a Silicon Valley company. My boss was a Stanford guy - he’d been their deep snapper. He HATED Cal. HATED. ncsulol hate for UNC hate. Visceral hatred.
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Yeah, for the alums of each school, especially those into sports, it can be a deep rivalry.

My hunch is that Stojakovic isn’t a lifelong fan of either program and doesn’t have any dislike of either based on one year in each program.
 
Geisterfahrer said:
I've only seen him in the game against us and I took another look at it. He's a smart player and nice vision - dropped some great dimes in the 2d half (first half he was a ghost). His foot speed is closer to Cade Tyson than Ian Jackson, he got abused off the dribble and on screens by Ian, Drake and RJ. He camps out at the 3 point line and doesn't crash the boards. On defense he has length but that's about it. Both Ian and Drake hit threes over him anyway.

Not sure why I care enough to type any of this. I'm just procrastinating on a Sunday. :geek:
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That was one of his worst games of the year. I wouldn't judge him on that single game any more than you should judge Dawson Garcia on his freshman game for Marquette in Chapel Hill. One game is not a good sample size.

That said, he is not a great defender. But we already have an elite defender at the 4 and 2 and pretty good height at the 1 and 5. What we really need is a bucket getter at the 3. And he fits that description to a T. He would be an excellent addition to next year's lineup.
 
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