How will a Trump presidency affect you?

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Ramrouser said:
I don’t view anyone on this board as the enemy.

I’m genuinely sorry that Trump, and his growing list of successes, are causing Dems to suffer a collective mental nervous breakdown.

If Trump cured cancer, Dems would complain bitterly that he was putting oncologists out of business. 😀
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You're delusional if you believe Trump has been successful.
 
UNCatTech said:
No, COVID closed the borders. It happened around the world, but you keep pretending trump did something. Which policy did he pass in his first term they made a difference?

We've acknowledged that Biden could have handled the boarder better. Just read the thread, several people have responded. You must have a mental block since you can't see that in the last year under Biden deportations were up, without the inhumane bullshit that trump is doing. There's a right way to do things, trump doesn't understand that as everything’s? he does is either stupid or inhumane. It's his norm.
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Really, do you read Super’s posts?
 
Defund the police
Free daycare
City run grocery stores
Rent freeze

Yeah, that’s gonna work. Palm Beach/Boca/Ft Lauderdale/Miami real estate gonna sky rocket!
 
Ramrouser said:
Typical ANGRY liberal. And you wonder why everyone’s not voting for your candidates.

Good luck with the commie/islamist in nyc.
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My anger is rooted in your inhumanity, intellectual dishonesty, and general immorality in service of a fascist regime.

Again, my whole point in starting this thread was to illustrate to assholes like you that the policies and regime you gladly cheer on is having real-world impacts on a personal level for law-abiding citizens like me and my ex.

But you’ve proven time and again that you don’t give a fuck about anyone but yourself. You’re morally bankrupt and incapable of basic human decency or empathy—thus you’re my enemy.

You’re not a patriot. You’re not a good citizen. You’re not a good person. You’re the antithesis of all that is good about America.

Fuck off and die.
 
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Ramrouser said:
Really, do you read Super’s posts?
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The other crap you posted is bullahit.

Our schools have overcrowding issues because of lack of funding, not immigrants. Most everything else you said was hyperbole or simply wrong.

The numbers under Biden did decrease, but he was focused on fixing the economy that trump broke and now the next president will have to do the same. Trump is a spoiled rich brat whose only success was being born on third base. He's a product of daddy's money, nothing more. He's a horrible, narcissistic piece of shit. But you and the cult couldn't have a black woman president so now the country is being fucked in ways that we will not recover from in our lifetime.
 
Ramrouser said:
May 2024 entries: 66,000
May 2025: 0

Trump wins.
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Just a few comments on this:

1. We don't measure "entries," nor is there any possible way we could do so.
2. We typically measure border encounters, which is very different from entries, and which has been subject to significantly different definitions over recent years.
3. What DHS is reporting as zero for May 2025 is not even encounters, but rather undocumented persons released by ICE into the US. I doubt that number is actually zero, but it's possible it could be. Just want to be sure everyone knows what we're talking about here.
4. A large part of the reason encounters is down so far is that Trump ended pretty much all forms of asylum access. To be fair, Biden started doing that in early 2024, which is why the encounter numbers dropped so precipitously over the final months of his presidency. Trump just ended them (almost) completely, though (except for white South Africans, of course), and those persons have always made up a huge percentage of encounters. Thus, far fewer encounters with no active asylum programs.

Here's the rub, though. Whether Trump's policies towards asylum will prove to be legal has yet to be determined. But regardless of that, the human cost is guaranteed to be significant. I don't do a ton of immigration work but I do have a pro bono client right now who has an asylum hearing scheduled in the next two months. He's a gay man from El Salvador who came to the US during Trump's first term because he was being threatened by local gangs with sexual abuse and potential slavery. Since he's been in the US, he's worked diligently (and legally), including in jobs we would consider white collar, earning substantial money and paying substantial taxes. He has committed no crimes. He works with immigrant children in his community. He and his partner, who is a US citizen, are hoping to marry and start a family if his asylum application is granted. He knew no English when he came over, but he now knows enough that I'm hoping we can do the asylum hearing in English, as that can make a difference to our immigration judges.

Now, my client may be denied asylum, in which case he will likely be quickly deported to El Salvador and is at extremely high risk of sexual abuse and potential death. That's the burden hanging on my shoulders right now. But the point is, under the current policies that have resulted in the numbers Ram and others are so proud of, my client would never even have the chance of finding safety in the United States. None. He would be trapped in El Salvador, and there's a great chance he would already be dead.

So it's easy to talk about numbers. It's easy to talk about laws (although I personally think what Trump is doing right now with asylum is lawless). But let's not lose sight of the people. Politics is people. The personal is political. Whatever you may think about immigration as an abstract policy, the impact of those policies on people are vitally important.
 
lawtig02 said:
Just a few comments on this:

1. We don't measure "entries," nor is there any possible way we could do so.
2. We typically measure border encounters, which is very different from entries, and which has been subject to significantly different definitions over recent years.
3. What DHS is reporting as zero for May 2025 is not even encounters, but rather undocumented persons released by ICE into the US. I doubt that number is actually zero, but it's possible it could be. Just want to be sure everyone knows what we're talking about here.
4. A large part of the reason encounters is down so far is that Trump ended pretty much all forms of asylum access. To be fair, Biden started doing that in early 2024, which is why the encounter numbers dropped so precipitously over the final months of his presidency. Trump just ended them (almost) completely, though (except for white South Africans, of course), and those persons have always made up a huge percentage of encounters. Thus, far fewer encounters with no active asylum programs.

Here's the rub, though. Whether Trump's policies towards asylum will prove to be legal has yet to be determined. But regardless of that, the human cost is guaranteed to be significant. I don't do a ton of immigration work but I do have a pro bono client right now who has an asylum hearing scheduled in the next two months. He's a gay man from El Salvador who came to the US during Trump's first term because he was being threatened by local gangs with sexual abuse and potential slavery. Since he's been in the US, he's worked diligently (and legally), including in jobs we would consider white collar, earning substantial money and paying substantial taxes. He has committed no crimes. He works with immigrant children in his community. He and his partner, who is a US citizen, are hoping to marry and start a family if his asylum application is granted. He knew no English when he came over, but he now knows enough that I'm hoping we can do the asylum hearing in English, as that can make a difference to our immigration judges.

Now, my client may be denied asylum, in which case he will likely be quickly deported to El Salvador and is at extremely high risk of sexual abuse and potential death. That's the burden hanging on my shoulders right now. But the point is, under the current policies that have resulted in the numbers Ram and others are so proud of, my client would never even have the chance of finding safety in the United States. None. He would be trapped in El Salvador, and there's a great chance he would already be dead.

So it's easy to talk about numbers. It's easy to talk about laws (although I personally think what Trump is doing right now with asylum is lawless). But let's not lose sight of the people. Politics is people. The personal is political. Whatever you may think about immigration as an abstract policy, the impact of those policies on people are vitally important.
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Exactly, to the cult these are not people.

We need actual policy reform that balances the needs for labor and properly vets those entering the country. The right seems to miss this. No one supports open borders, but trumps plan isn't a long term solution, it's a show for his cult to masterbate to.

There are so many good options that would appease both political parties, but our current, nonfunctional, government isn't doing a god damn thing.
 
lawtig02 said:
Just a few comments on this:

1. We don't measure "entries," nor is there any possible way we could do so.
2. We typically measure border encounters, which is very different from entries, and which has been subject to significantly different definitions over recent years.
3. What DHS is reporting as zero for May 2025 is not even encounters, but rather undocumented persons released by ICE into the US. I doubt that number is actually zero, but it's possible it could be. Just want to be sure everyone knows what we're talking about here.
4. A large part of the reason encounters is down so far is that Trump ended pretty much all forms of asylum access. To be fair, Biden started doing that in early 2024, which is why the encounter numbers dropped so precipitously over the final months of his presidency. Trump just ended them (almost) completely, though (except for white South Africans, of course), and those persons have always made up a huge percentage of encounters. Thus, far fewer encounters with no active asylum programs.

Here's the rub, though. Whether Trump's policies towards asylum will prove to be legal has yet to be determined. But regardless of that, the human cost is guaranteed to be significant. I don't do a ton of immigration work but I do have a pro bono client right now who has an asylum hearing scheduled in the next two months. He's a gay man from El Salvador who came to the US during Trump's first term because he was being threatened by local gangs with sexual abuse and potential slavery. Since he's been in the US, he's worked diligently (and legally), including in jobs we would consider white collar, earning substantial money and paying substantial taxes. He has committed no crimes. He works with immigrant children in his community. He and his partner, who is a US citizen, are hoping to marry and start a family if his asylum application is granted. He knew no English when he came over, but he now knows enough that I'm hoping we can do the asylum hearing in English, as that can make a difference to our immigration judges.

Now, my client may be denied asylum, in which case he will likely be quickly deported to El Salvador and is at extremely high risk of sexual abuse and potential death. That's the burden hanging on my shoulders right now. But the point is, under the current policies that have resulted in the numbers Ram and others are so proud of, my client would never even have the chance of finding safety in the United States. None. He would be trapped in El Salvador, and there's a great chance he would already be dead.

So it's easy to talk about numbers. It's easy to talk about laws (although I personally think what Trump is doing right now with asylum is lawless). But let's not lose sight of the people. Politics is people. The personal is political. Whatever you may think about immigration as an abstract policy, the impact of those policies on people are vitally important.
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lovely post.

and you're spot on with the bit about people. but you're wasting your breath with ram, calla, et. al. they don't give a shit about people outside of their own circles.
 
Ramrouser said:
Defund the police
Free daycare
City run grocery stores
Rent freeze

Yeah, that’s gonna work. Palm Beach/Boca/Ft Lauderdale/Miami real estate gonna sky rocket!
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As the wealth and pay gaps continue to grow, along with the possible impact of AI on unemployment, if we don't figure out how to provide such basic life necessities, those who are most impacted will, at some point, figure out how greatly they have the haves outnumbered, we could see an uprising that level the playing field.

As for your other generalizations.
1) refund the police was a really poorly thought slogan. No one was ever defunct the police. Any reasonable person understands that a group as large and integral part of society isn't going to be defined and eliminated. BUT, there is room for improvement in our police force.

2) Free day care. There are multiple studies and evidence from other countries demonstrating how this would actually be good for over all benefit of society.

3) this is the first I've read of this. I don't see how this would make sense logistically or how this would be of greater importance than universal health coverage.

4) I've read a couple articles and the supporting data that shows this has the opposite of the expected results. Hopefully in the study and debate of something like this these things would have to be considered. The market should help to control this, but with a rise in private equity buying housing, GA is currently at 24% of single family homes being owned by corporations for purposes of rental, there's going to be a breaking point without rent controls.

And all of these are components that support the evolution into a universal basis income.
 
Froggie12 said:
The one that eventually would give amnesty to 5 million illegals?

Glad he did.

Now when they are on their way back to their home countries they can read up on how to get here legally.

Now if the GOP will abolish the filibuster and require that only U.S. citizens be counted in the census things will be great!
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Another idiot who can’t do the bare minimum and fact-check the BS claims from the right.

That border bill was not going to give amnesty to 5 million illegals. Where the fuck do you clowns get this garbage from?
 
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