How will a Trump presidency affect you?

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CFordUNC said:
The anti-immigrant stuff is so mind-numbingly and inexplicably bizarre to me. Why in the world would anyone care about the folks who are here working their asses off to make our country better, and to provide a better life for their families.
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Why in the world did white people care whether black people walked on the sidewalk or drank from water fountains?
 
CFordUNC said:
The anti-immigrant stuff is so mind-numbingly and inexplicably bizarre to me. Why in the world would anyone care about the folks who are here working their asses off to make our country better, and to provide a better life for their families. The vitriol for criminals, I get (and share). Lock em up, deport em, whatever. Fuck em. But the folks who are here doing nothing other than working hard and minding their own….why the hate for them?

Just today at our house, I had a yard crew, a cleaning crew, a crew installing new hardwood floors, and a crew installing new carpet- not one single one of them spoke English as a primary language. The work they did, however, was spectacular. I don’t know their immigration status and I couldn't possibly care any less. They’re just good, hardworking people trying to make an honest living and doing jobs that Americans like me won’t touch with a ten-foot pole.
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And, you didn’t even have roofers!
 
CFordUNC said:
The anti-immigrant stuff is so mind-numbingly and inexplicably bizarre to me. Why in the world would anyone care about the folks who are here working their asses off to make our country better, and to provide a better life for their families. The vitriol for criminals, I get (and share). Lock em up, deport em, whatever. Fuck em. But the folks who are here doing nothing other than working hard and minding their own….why the hate for them?

Just today at our house, I had a yard crew, a cleaning crew, a crew installing new hardwood floors, and a crew installing new carpet- not one single one of them spoke English as a primary language. The work they did, however, was spectacular. I don’t know their immigration status and I couldn't possibly care any less. They’re just good, hardworking people trying to make an honest living and doing jobs that Americans like me won’t touch with a ten-foot pole.
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Can’t speak for most but I’ve been in construction for 30 years in NC, and the perception is that illegals suppress wages. Contractors using illegal labor put pressure on contractors who want to hire legals to cur costs as well.
And construction isn’t like farming, Americans want to do these jobs but not for shit wages. I used to blame the illegal, now I blame Republicans mostly since in my experience they always seem to be the ones owning the businesses full of illegals.
 
HandsonFire said:
Can’t speak for most but I’ve been in construction for 30 years in NC, and the perception is that illegals suppress wages. Contractors using illegal labor put pressure on contractors who want to hire legals to cur costs as well.
And construction isn’t like farming, Americans want to do these jobs but not for shit wages. I used to blame the illegal, now I blame Republicans mostly since in my experience they always seem to be the ones owning the businesses full of illegals.
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I don't know about construction but I very much doubt there are many Americans who want to be roofers.

For the most part, migrants don't much affect wages but construction might be an exception.
 
Calheel said:
You going to take any ownership of Trump's 11th hour killing of the bipartisan border bill? You know the one Trump opposed explicitly because he did not want the border fixed.
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Crap bill which would have allowed 1M+ illegals in the country annually before closing the border. As usual, Trump went with his gut and rejected it, got himself elected and immediately closed the border without the necessity of the bill.
 
CFordUNC said:
The anti-immigrant stuff is so mind-numbingly and inexplicably bizarre to me. Why in the world would anyone care about the folks who are here working their asses off to make our country better, and to provide a better life for their families. The vitriol for criminals, I get (and share). Lock em up, deport em, whatever. Fuck em. But the folks who are here doing nothing other than working hard and minding their own….why the hate for them?

Just today at our house, I had a yard crew, a cleaning crew, a crew installing new hardwood floors, and a crew installing new carpet- not one single one of them spoke English as a primary language. The work they did, however, was spectacular. I don’t know their immigration status and I couldn't possibly care any less. They’re just good, hardworking people trying to make an honest living and doing jobs that Americans like me won’t touch with a ten-foot pole.
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Overcrowd schools.
Put stresses on our welfare state
Depresses wages for blue collar workers - that Dems increasingly don’t care about since they’re MAGA
Crowd out housing and increase rents due to increase in demand
Crime and gangs
Stresses on emergency rooms

Admittedly, there are also advantages as well which have been articulated here.
 
Ramrouser said:
Overcrowd schools.
Put stresses on our welfare state
Depresses wages for blue collar workers - that Dems increasingly don’t care about since they’re MAGA
Crowd out housing and increase rents due to increase in demand
Crime and gangs
Stresses on emergency rooms

Admittedly, there are also advantages as well which have been articulated here.
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False in every case. Have you ever seen where undocumented workers live? They are not causing a housing shortage. Edit to add that there is an effect in some of those cases, but the characterization as "overcrowd schools" is generally not correct. The negative impact is very small. The positive impact is not very high but it's considerably higher than the negative.

The vast majority of blue collar workers face more competition from Mexicans actually in Mexico, in light of NAFTA.
 
Ramrouser said:
Your side caused all of this. If Biden had done his damn job and not opened the border wide open for the whole world to walk in then we wouldn't be dealing with this. Republicans loudly complained about the bum rush on the border in real time but Dems just laughed, calling it a "Fox News obsession" and told us "the border is secure" you stupid Republicans. I'm not going to listen to your pious lectures when YOU (Dems) intentionally caused this and America elected Trump to solve this problem. That's the way the system works.

But noooo, Biden's Politburo listened to immigration activists who wanted to flood the zone with illegals because:

1. It increased the welfare state which gives them power;
2. It increased the population in states which count towards the Census;
3. In order to give them driver's licenses or fake social security numbers (thanks China) so they could register to vote for Dems; and
4. To "Brown America" because they hate white, traditional Republicans.

Most Republicans would have been perfectly happy if you would have just secured the border. No one would be wanting to mass deport illegals and we probably would be discussing amnesty for them and the Dreamers in particular. I'd be perfectly fine if we deported the criminals and gang members and everyone who rushed in the last 4 years and let everyone else stay - as long as they are good, taxpaying citizens.

Make your bed, lie in it. I would advise illegals to be safe and self deport (with $1k payment) else you could be heading to sunny South Sudan c/o a 6-3 Supreme Court decision. We can then let the good ones back in via legal immigration.
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Do you really believe that immigration has only been an issue for a couple of years?
 
Ramrouser said:
Crap bill which would have allowed 1M+ illegals in the country annually before closing the border. As usual, Trump went with his gut and rejected it, got himself elected and immediately closed the border without the necessity of the bill.
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Pretty succinct. I'm more convinced every day that libs have a comprehension problem. They completely act as if there wasn't a clause in it that allowed a million illegals in BEFORE closing the border. Why is it necessary to let anyone in illegally before securing the border? Only libs can answer that because anyone with common sense would say close the border and then let in what needs to be let in without having to deal with a million illegals. They are to dim to see that is a big part of why they LOST. Again LOST the election. Wasn't to hard for trump to secure the border. Hire the right person and say secure the border. So, as Ram said, killing the bill was the right thing to do and the country is better for it.
 
I’ve seen videos of ICE raiding some pretty nice homes of gangbangers in recent weeks.
 
UNCatTech said:
Do you really believe that immigration has only been an issue for a couple of years?
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Trump had the border relatively under control during 1.0. Do you and others here have a mental block for not being to acknowledge that the border issue literally exploded under Biden and was not merely a “Fox News conspiracy?” Dems will get back into office eventually so they better learn from Biden’s border disaster or they’ll be thrown out of office again

No Open Borders ever again!
 
Ramrouser said:
Crap bill which would have allowed 1M+ illegals in the country annually before closing the border. As usual, Trump went with his gut and rejected it, got himself elected and immediately closed the border without the necessity of the bill.
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If it allowed people in, then they aren’t illegal.

Why is closing the border good? We need immigrants. This is an economic fact.
 
Ramrouser said:
Trump had the border relatively under control during 1.0. Do you and others here have a mental block for not being to acknowledge that the border issue literally exploded under Biden and was not merely a “Fox News conspiracy?” Dems will get back into office eventually so they better learn from Biden’s border disaster or they’ll be thrown out of office again

No Open Borders ever again!
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No, Democrats will not ever be in office again. You truly don't fathom the Pandora's box that you have opened. The only thing keeping Trump and his family afloat and put of prison for the remainder of their lives is remaining in control of the government. They will destroy literally everything to maintain that power...and that includes destroying you and your way of life as well.

At some point you had better learn that we are all in this shit show together and the folks on this board aren't the enemy. The enemy resides in the White House.
 
ChileG said:
If it allowed people in, then they aren’t illegal.

Why is closing the border good? We need immigrants. This is an economic fact.
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LEGAL - we get to choose who comes into our country, not random people rushing the border.
 
Ramrouser said:
Overcrowd schools.
Put stresses on our welfare state
Depresses wages for blue collar workers - that Dems increasingly don’t care about since they’re MAGA
Crowd out housing and increase rents due to increase in demand
Crime and gangs
Stresses on emergency rooms

Admittedly, there are also advantages as well which have been articulated here.
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Lolololololol ain’t no damn way you believe any of that bullshit Mercer and if you do Mercer should be stripped of its accreditation and burnt to the ground William Tecumseh Sherman style, and honestly maybe even Carolina too for that matter.

Overcrowded schools are a result of inadequate funding, zoning problems, teacher shortages, poor infrastructural planning, etc. - not immigrants.

I won’t touch the housing one because it’s so absurd as to be farcical, and also superiffic already addressed it.

Crimes and gangs? Uh, I don’t want to alarm you or anything but not every person with brown skin is a criminal gangbanger! In fact, very few of them are! In fact, undocumented immigrants commit crime at rates far lower than American citizens.

And maybe they did not teach you this at UNC or Mercer, but undocumented immigrants are not eligible for the vast majority of public welfare benefits funded by the federal government. They may be eligible for certain emergency or limited services, and some state and local programs may offer assistance. But you knew that, I’m sure of it.
 
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