Hubert Davis Catch-all

[SnoopRob]

And yes, he totally missed on the 03 class missing on all his big men targets (Padgett, Butch, Kleiza, Watkins, and Taft IIRC).

The rumor at the time is that by the time 2003 class was making visits/decisions that the players were warning recruits against coming to Carolina.

The only real recruit we got in the class was Reyshawn Terry and he was a lifelong Carolina fan from Winston-Salem.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

Said it on a thread earlier today but this was the type of demoralizing blowout loss I was hoping we could avoid tonight because of what it might mean for the rest of the season. Just hope the team doesn’t completely roll over in the closing stretch. Moribund Syracuse as the next opponent is a good scheduling break to get some momentum back.

I hope. But given how our first game against them ended with them going on that huge run I'm not taking anything for granted. Without Caleb and Henri I think no game is an easy or certain win, even at home. And even with Caleb and Henri we've struggled in some games where we should have done better, which of course is one of the criticisms that Hubert's critics have kept pointing out, with justification.

 

[WaynetheDrain]

Hubes was “X’in and O’in” like a motherfucker tonight, huh guys?

 

[stankeylegjones]

34 in kenpom, 32 in torvik.

 

[kidryancorn]

Assuming HD is back next year there is a ton of work to do in the portal,.especially if HV leaves. Hopefully the back channeling has begun, like we did with Henri last year.

 

[Rock]

Hubes was “X’in and O’in” like a motherfucker tonight, huh guys?

I mean... UNC shot 5-33 from three so.

 

[stankeylegjones]

I saw this post on IC. Alarming.

Hard facts and data in the Hubert Davis era, no opinions or subjective views:

NCAAT Seeds:
2022 - 8 seed
2023 - missed tournament
2024 - 1 seed
2025 - 11 seed
2026 - 7 seed (projected)

KenPom finishes:
2022 - 16th
2023 - 43rd
2024 - 9th
2025 - 31st
2026 - 34th (currently)

ACC conference standings:
2022 - 3rd
2023 - 7th
2024 - 1st
2025 - 5th
2026 - 7th (currently)

% of weeks ranked since 2022:
Houston 100%
Purdue 97%
Tennessee 97%
Duke 93%
Kansas 93%
Arizona 88%
UConn 88%
Gonzaga 86%
Alabama 84%
Kentucky 83%
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.
.
UNC 49%

Records and historical data points:
-2022-2023: first team to miss the NCAAT after starting the season preseason number 1 in the AP Poll
-2025-2026 - NC State 82 - 58 UNC: worst loss to NC State in 64 years
-2024-2025: 11 seed is the worst seed in UNC basketball program history
-2021-2022 - Kentucky 98 - 69 UNC: worst loss to Kentucky in 72 years and the second worst loss in the history between the 2 programs
-2021-2022 - Kansas 72-69 UNC (40-25 at halftime): largest halftime lead blown in a national title game in the history of college basketball
-2025-2026 - SMU to Cal stretch of games: worst rated KenPom defense since KenPom started in 2004
-2024-2025 - Ole Miss 74-64 UNC (44-26 at halftime): second largest halftime deficit in an NCAAT game in UNC basketball program history
-2021-2022 - Wake Forest 98 - 76 UNC and Miami 85 - 57 UNC: largest back to back losses in ACC conference play in UNC basketball program history

 

[stankeylegjones]

Greg: Roster Construction Issues on Display

UNC's guards were 11-of-47 from the floor in Tuesday's 24-point loss at N.C. State.

www.on3.com

This part is very staggering:

The advanced metrics had N.C. State favored to win even with Wilson and Veesaar in the starting lineup, and given that UNC is shooting 28.6% from 3 in its six losses this season, the math suggests a loss in most games against NCAA Tournament caliber opponents.

 

[akillesheel]

the fact that this team, constructed with significantly higher financial commitment and featuring one of the nation's single best starting frontcourts, is barely better than last year's according to Kenpom/Torvik... certainly makes it feel like there's a hard ceiling on this program with this head coach.

 

[HeelInTheOzarks]

There were some really strangely constructed rosters in the late Roy era too - but it seems like we cannot field a balanced team at all. We either have no size at all, or no guards. Last year we were tiny at basically every position, this year we got 2 good bigs but the guards are a total mess. I don't get why we are in year five and still seem to be flailing around. I don't see a coherent strategy. We knew exactly what the philosophy was under Roy. I still don't know what we can hang our hat on under HD. We don't play fast (160th in tempo), we can't rebound anymore (118th OR rate, 73rd DR rate) - those were the things we used to be elite at. It's just really hard to feel like we are moving in the direction of being a top team in the country when we don't even know what we will be good at as a program.

 

[Heelsandeers]

My initial reaction to the $14M reported before the season was overpay

$14M for a roster with minimal perimeter scoring/playmaking and little depth. The pieces fit just well enough around Caleb/Veesaar to get by

Without them, the holes in the roster compound to the point we saw last night

 

[mpaer]

My initial reaction to the $14M reported before the season was overpay

$14M for a roster with minimal perimeter scoring/playmaking and little depth. The pieces fit just well enough around Caleb/Veesaar to get by

Without them, the holes in the roster compound to the point we saw last night

Until last night I did not realize how small and not good our backcourt was

 

[superrific]

My initial reaction to the $14M reported before the season was overpay

$14M for a roster with minimal perimeter scoring/playmaking and little depth. The pieces fit just well enough around Caleb/Veesaar to get by

Without them, the holes in the roster compound to the point we saw last night

Again, not too many teams will do OK without their two best players who also happen to be the only two reliable inside players. I mean, yes the perimeter has holes, and we know that, but the idea that the game should have been close seems like fantasy to me.

I suspect we paid Caleb Wilson a lot of money. Lot more than people think.

 

[Oddball]

Until last night I did not realize how small and not good our backcourt was

SMU game did that for me

It does seem like roster construction is the root of our problems. If we had gotten the Maxime Reynaud kid from Stanford last year we would have been decent enough, but once he backed away it was like we were out of options.

I am not plugged in enough to the program to know if our misses are due to $ or poor talent evaluation. From what I can tell we do identify good talent in the portal, but when we whiff we do not have enough other options to turn to... not sure how to remedy that, hoping Jim Tanner helps.

Huge pressure for HD and staff to get quality portal bigs to pair with the young influx of talent this offseason, if we flop there then tough to see how next year isn't the last for this staff

 

[HeelInTheOzarks]

Again, not too many teams will do OK without their two best players who also happen to be the only two reliable inside players. I mean, yes the perimeter has holes, and we know that, but the idea that the game should have been close seems like fantasy to me.

I suspect we paid Caleb Wilson a lot of money. Lot more than people think.

But imagine instead of sinking all the money we did into Evans and Bogavac, that we had 2 good consistent guards. Do we win last night? Doubtful. But we are a hell of a lot better team. As it seems to be every year, the team is really imbalanced and that limits our ability to play with any semblance of consistency.

 

[bassydude77]

But imagine instead of sinking all the money we did into Evans and Bogavac, that we had 2 good consistent guards. Do we win last night? Doubtful. But we are a hell of a lot better team. As it seems to be every year, the team is really imbalanced and that limits our ability to play with any semblance of consistency.

Agreed - Evans and Boga have not delivered. Evans has been terrible

 

[superrific]

But imagine instead of sinking all the money we did into Evans and Bogavac, that we had 2 good consistent guards. Do we win last night? Doubtful. But we are a hell of a lot better team. As it seems to be every year, the team is really imbalanced and that limits our ability to play with any semblance of consistency.

I don't know how much money we sunk into those two. I have heard that we overpaid for Evans, but I have my doubts we paid too much for Bogo. I could be wrong about the latter.

I mean, obviously Evans hasn't worked out. We got him because he shot like 44% from 3 last year. Well, looking more and more like that was a fluke. Hard to know, really, when there are only a couple of seasons. Bogo shot 39.9% from 3 his last season in the pros in europe. Before that, he was 32% and 37%. He's at 34% now for us. Again, hard to know if the 39% was a fluke or what.

When you pay $$ to get two guys for their shooting, and neither can shoot, there are going to be problems -- especially when the reason you needed the shooting is no shooting from the SG. I don't know how you can blame the shooting woes on the coach. Well, I know how but it seems unfair. There's nothing wrong with those guys' form that I've seen; there was nothing to scout -- they've just not been making shots.

That's not to say we had a great guard position even with those guys shooting better.

The questionable decision in my mind was Jarin. I don't know how much we paid but I'm guessing more than we should have. That said, if our guards could shoot, maybe Jared could do other things that play more to his strength. In the end, though, I just don't think he has the motor or the aggressiveness and that could have been scouted.

 

[superrific]

I am not plugged in enough to the program to know if our misses are due to $ or poor talent evaluation. From what I can tell we do identify good talent in the portal, but when we whiff we do not have enough other options to turn to... not sure how to remedy that, hoping Jim Tanner helps.

Again, I don't think you can scout these guys' shooting woes. Jarin -- yes, his shooting woes are reflected in the stats. I was never excited about that acquisition. Evans was likely an overpay in any scenario but if he was shooting 40% for us from 3, we'd be a different team.

 

[heelinhell]

Until last night I did not realize how small and not good our backcourt was

We've been a 3 man team all year

Cadeau shot better from the floor and had more assist/game in his Freshman and Soph years than Boga, Dixon, Evans, Young, and Powell this year. The rumor is he wanted 2 million in NIL to return for his junior year. Did we not want to pay him 2 million ?

I wonder what we paid for Boga, Dixon, Evans, Young, and Powell this year

 

[uncjhodges]

I don't know how much money we sunk into those two. I have heard that we overpaid for Evans, but I have my doubts we paid too much for Bogo. I could be wrong about the latter.

I mean, obviously Evans hasn't worked out. We got him because he shot like 44% from 3 last year. Well, looking more and more like that was a fluke. Hard to know, really, when there are only a couple of seasons. Bogo shot 39.9% from 3 his last season in the pros in europe. Before that, he was 32% and 37%. He's at 34% now for us. Again, hard to know if the 39% was a fluke or what.

When you pay $$ to get two guys for their shooting, and neither can shoot, there are going to be problems -- especially when the reason you needed the shooting is no shooting from the SG. I don't know how you can blame the shooting woes on the coach. Well, I know how but it seems unfair. There's nothing wrong with those guys' form that I've seen; there was nothing to scout -- they've just not been making shots.

That's not to say we had a great guard position even with those guys shooting better.

The questionable decision in my mind was Jarin. I don't know how much we paid but I'm guessing more than we should have. That said, if our guards could shoot, maybe Jared could do other things that play more to his strength. In the end, though, I just don't think he has the motor or the aggressiveness and that could have been scouted.

I believe sherrel confirmed that Seth is not 3rd highest paid on the team, and that luka, evans, seth combined for over 4 million.
I don’t think we paid much for Jarin at all, probably was at the bottom of his market after last year. We’ve mostly misused him at the 3 but he’s a decent stretch 4