Hubert Davis Catch-all

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sringwal said:
Sure. If we don’t win another game this season, then Hubert will absolutely be in danger of losing his job. He could end the season on an 13 game winning streak and get a contract extension. Neither event is likely.
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I think he's good next year... I would've got rid of him after last year, but I don't see him getting fired this year... and I think he beats VT and a struggling Clemson.
 
stankeylegjones said:
I can respect that viewpoint, and I agree that there are valid concerns on both sides. For me, though, I just haven’t seen enough from HD this season to give me realistic confidence that the program is on a path back to the top 10, let alone to where we historically belong.

I understand the desire for patience, but I also don’t think we can afford to remain in this kind of holding pattern indefinitely. But, at the end of the day, we both want what’s best for the program, we just have different opinions on how to achieve that.

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Even if it meant the end of Dean Smith’s legacy of coaches?
 
stankeylegjones said:
I can respect that viewpoint, and I agree that there are valid concerns on both sides. For me, though, I just haven’t seen enough from HD this season to give me realistic confidence that the program is on a path back to the top 10, let alone to where we historically belong.

I understand the desire for patience, but I also don’t think we can afford to remain in this kind of holding pattern indefinitely. But, at the end of the day, we both want what’s best for the program, we just have different opinions on how to achieve that.

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I want to see Hubert and Carolina succeed and have consistent success. I just don't know how long it will take and how long he should be given to see if it happens. Like you said, it's kind of like being in a holding pattern. How long should be given to reach that consistency where 3 out of 4 years are good seasons where the Heels are in the top 10 and competing for ACC titles and Final Fours?
 
Because Dean’s legacy is what I am talking about here. For as long as many of has been alive, Dean Smith has been Carolina. I have never experienced a Carolina that was not taught by either him, or one of his protégée. Carolina basketball is why I love sport. It has given me something to root for in times that were not so great for me. I think it has for most of us on this thread. And that is largely because of the House that Dean built. That seems bigger to me than a few more wins each season, a few higher seeds. And that’s what I mean by my statement that nobody is more qualified from a moral/ethical standpoint than the man who most attributes his professional success to Dean Smith.
 
sringwal said:
Even if it meant the end of Dean Smith’s legacy of coaches?
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In my opinion, everyone starts outside of the family before they become a part of the family. That to say, yes, they will become part of the family. Even Dean himself wanted to go outside of his legacy, before Daugherty was hired.

But, don't get me wrong, it would be absolutely cool as fuck if HD (a DS legacy) could turn the program around and get it back to where it has been historically.
 
Did you all know that Dean Smith required his players to take speech therapy so that they would sound more poised in interviews?I know, because my mom spent years training coeds to work with those players teaching them how to make the players relax. Hubert Davis took those courses. And after barely walking onto the team, he went on to Star in the NBA, went into broadcasting, got to to learn coaching under the wing of the second greatest college coach, and now coaches the Heels. I don’t know if the shy young introvert who stepped onto campus his freshman year would have had the career he did without those speech therapy courses. I don’t know if know that he wouldn’t have found that success under any other coach than Dean Smith. And every time he steps onto the court he carries that Dean Smith on his shoulder.
 
sringwal said:
Because Dean’s legacy is what I am talking about here. For as long as many of has been alive, Dean Smith has been Carolina. I have never experienced a Carolina that was not taught by either him, or one of his protégée. Carolina basketball is why I love sport. It has given me something to root for in times that were not so great for me. I think it has for most of us on this thread. And that is largely because of the House that Dean built. That seems bigger to me than a few more wins each season, a few higher seeds. And that’s what I mean by my statement that nobody is more qualified from a moral/ethical standpoint than the man who most attributes his professional success to Dean Smith.
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I’m with you, the connection to Dean Smith and what he built at UNC is exactly why Carolina basketball means so much to so many of us. For a lot of fans, it is not just about wins and banners. It is about a set of values, a style of play, and a sense of belonging that has carried people through difficult times. That legacy absolutely deserves to be protected.

At the same time, a huge part of Carolina basketball has always been success both on the court and off the court. The championships and Final Fours matter, because excellence and competing at the highest level are part of the standard Dean set. But just as important is how players represent the program, graduate, grow as people, and carry those values into their lives beyond basketball. That dual commitment is what has made the program distinctive for decades.

Change does not erase that past. In many ways, it is how a tradition stays alive. Every era of Carolina basketball that we now consider part of “the Carolina Way” was once something new. When Dean took over, he was building on what came before him. The same was true for the coaches who followed. What we now view as continuity was, at the time, transition.

If and when a new coach comes in, that person would not replace Dean’s legacy. They would become part of it. Years from now, their chapter would be another layer in the story that began long before any of us were watching. This becomes the responsibility of hiring the next coach, not to find a carbon copy, but to find someone whose principles, leadership, and vision align with what Dean stood for and what Carolina represents, including the expectation of excellence both in competition and in character.

Honoring the past and embracing the future are not opposing ideas. They depend on each other. The goal is not simply to preserve the house that Dean built, but to ensure it remains strong, successful, and true to its foundation for the next generation of Carolina fans.
 
stankeylegjones said:
I’m with you, the connection to Dean Smith and what he built at UNC is exactly why Carolina basketball means so much to so many of us. For a lot of fans, it is not just about wins and banners. It is about a set of values, a style of play, and a sense of belonging that has carried people through difficult times. That legacy absolutely deserves to be protected.

At the same time, a huge part of Carolina basketball has always been success both on the court and off the court. The championships and Final Fours matter, because excellence and competing at the highest level are part of the standard Dean set. But just as important is how players represent the program, graduate, grow as people, and carry those values into their lives beyond basketball. That dual commitment is what has made the program distinctive for decades.

Change does not erase that past. In many ways, it is how a tradition stays alive. Every era of Carolina basketball that we now consider part of “the Carolina Way” was once something new. When Dean took over, he was building on what came before him. The same was true for the coaches who followed. What we now view as continuity was, at the time, transition.

If and when a new coach comes in, that person would not replace Dean’s legacy. They would become part of it. Years from now, their chapter would be another layer in the story that began long before any of us were watching. This becomes the responsibility of hiring the next coach, not to find a carbon copy, but to find someone whose principles, leadership, and vision align with what Dean stood for and what Carolina represents, including the expectation of excellence both in competition and in character.

Honoring the past and embracing the future are not opposing ideas. They depend on each other. The goal is not simply to preserve the house that Dean built, but to ensure it remains strong, successful, and true to its foundation for the next generation of Carolina fans.
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I can respect that. But man, it hurts my heart.
 
thebruinbleedstarheelblue said:
I agree on the 20 years... not sure why it makes sense to pretend like we're starting from where Dean started nearly 70 years ago.

However, appreciate your candor and agreed that we have different standards.
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They didn't start at same places. Let's also not pretend their first 5 years were anywhere similar. The aren't. We are 22-6 with wins over Kentucky Kansas dook Virginia lville. Lost to MSU without Seth. I think we beat Miami and state if healthy.
Dean would be fully behind Hubert. And Hubert will be our coach next year
 
sringwal said:
Did you all know that Dean Smith required his players to take speech therapy so that they would sound more poised in interviews?I know, because my mom spent years training coeds to work with those players teaching them how to make the players relax. Hubert Davis took those courses. And after barely walking onto the team, he went on to Star in the NBA, went into broadcasting, got to to learn coaching under the wing of the second greatest college coach, and now coaches the Heels. I don’t know if the shy young introvert who stepped onto campus his freshman year would have had the career he did without those speech therapy courses. I don’t know if know that he wouldn’t have found that success under any other coach than Dean Smith. And every time he steps onto the court he carries that Dean Smith on his shoulder.
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I agree that character matters and ahould be a part of the requirements. Hubert got a shot only because of his ties.

This, however, sounds like an eloquent argument for nepotism.
 
heel79 said:
You have different standard. Took dean 20 years to win first title. I see growth as coach. I do.
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It took Dean Smith 20 years to win his first NCAA championship (he won an NIT championship in 1971 when it still meant something), but it took him 6 years to turn the program into a national powerhouse that would consistently be one of the top teams in college basketball throughout his tenure and beyond. And it’s also not like the program he inherited was the brand it became roughly 60 years later. Apples and oranges.

I’m not arguing with you with regard to Hubert (I like Hubert and am rooting for him and want him to be here next year and beyond)). I just don’t think the argument in that post is a compelling one or a good one.
 
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