Hubert Davis Catch-all

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Bigs23 said:
This is true. Close loss, blowout loss, blow a big lead, start slow, it doesn't really matter. Over the long haul you'll be measured mostly by how much you win. Hubert's been about 10% less successful in that regard than he needs to be.
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But there has been a pattern in having what the sports folks would call bad losses because they either come out flat and look unprepared, or they give up big leads. Those two things have just happened too often the past 5 years. It's just different if it's a close game from start to finish. Or both teams trade runs throughout the game. That and the lack of adjustments during games to help his team have a better chance at winning has been a theme for 5 years and what has lead to a majority of the losses. I don't see the problem with people who are fans and interested in the game discussing why they have lost and seeing a common theme in the losses. I think bad coaching decisions during games and not being prepared for games has lead directly to many of the losses the last 5 years.
 
Turd Ferguson said:
But therr has been a pattern in having what the sports folks would call bad losses because they either come out flat and look unprepared, or they give up big leads. Those two things have just happened too often the past 5 years. It's just different if it's a close game from start to finish. Or both teams trade runs throughout the game. That and the lack of adjustments during games to help his team have a better chance at winning has been a theme for 5 years and what has lead to a majority of the losses. I don't see the problem with people who are fans and interested in the game discussing why they have lost and seeing a common theme in the losses. I think bad coaching decisions during games and not being prepared for games has lead directly to many of the losses the last 5 years.
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Yeah, sports people need stuff to talk about.

Win the game or lose the game the how isn't that important in the long run.
 
superrific said:
BTW I don't think it's "pedantic." What happens in these conversations is always the same -- it's becomes a massive pile-on because people pull out useless stats and questionable-at-best ideas to present the same issues in 100 different garbs. People build on each other until we get shit like, "this is the worst coached high-major team in the country."

The problem isn't that we lose too many leads. I'd be confident that if someone pulled out the game logs and analyzed them, they'd find that we lose leads at about the same rate as everyone else, when you adjust for overall record or team quality.

The problem isn't that we start too slowly. There's nothing special about the first five minutes of the game.

The problem isn't that we lose too many close games. The problem isn't that we've had the worst two-year NCAA-tournament-making doublet in school history. The problem isn't that we blew the biggest lead in the championship game when it was a minor miracle to be there and up by that much.

The problem is that we lose too much.

All the other shit is just derivative of this one problem. The team has been losing too much. There's no need to pile on with a million ways of saying the same thing.
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What I'm saying is pedantic is after a night where everyone agrees that Hubert coached poorly, you're instead starting a debate about whether we're describing how poorly he did in the right way or not. If we all agree that we lose too much, what is the point of having the argument about whether we're describing the problem correctly?

I understand your point. I just don't think it's serving a useful purpose right now.
 
rodoheel said:
What I'm saying is pedantic is after a night where everyone agrees that Hubert coached poorly, you're instead starting a debate about whether we're describing how poorly he did in the right way or not. If we all agree that we lose too much, what is the point of having the argument about whether we're describing the problem correctly?

I understand your point. I just don't think it's serving a useful purpose right now.
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I mean if we just say we'll they lost and that's it then there really is no use coming on here and discussing things.
 
UNCBAdookJD said:
Because losing a huge lead is indicative of being the better team on paper but making mistakes/losing focus to let the other team get back in it. Those are coaching issues.
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No. Think about it clearly. Use logic. For one thing, what if other team has lost focus to begin the game? We might get a big lead, despite not being the better team (since the other team's lack of focus, not their ability, is the cause). Or what if we are the worse team but play out of our minds to build a big lead (2022 NCAA tourney final). Wasn't it good coaching followed by average?

The quality of a team's performance is measured over 40 minutes. You can't privilege some subset -- first five minutes, last five minutes, middle ten minutes -- as the basis for any analysis.
 
superrific said:
No. Think about it clearly. Use logic. For one thing, what if other team has lost focus to begin the game? We might get a big lead, despite not being the better team (since the other team's lack of focus, not their ability, is the cause). Or what if we are the worse team but play out of our minds to build a big lead (2022 NCAA tourney final). Wasn't it good coaching followed by average?

The quality of a team's performance is measured over 40 minutes. You can't privilege some subset -- first five minutes, last five minutes, middle ten minutes -- as the basis for any analysis.
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But that's what coaches themselves do.
 
rodoheel said:
What I'm saying is pedantic is after a night where everyone agrees that Hubert coached poorly, you're instead starting a debate about whether we're describing how poorly he did in the right way or not. If we all agree that we lose too much, what is the point of having the argument about whether we're describing the problem correctly?

I understand your point. I just don't think it's serving a useful purpose right now.
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Because maybe it prevents a pile-on. Like, if your girlfriend breaks up with you, do you really need to hear 20 different ways you suck? Maybe "we're not right for each other and this will never work" would be plenty.
 
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