I do want conservatives on here

Ramrouser said:
Head scratcher. Trump/Musk have painted the libs/media into defending government inefficiencies/fraud and general guardians of the stats quos. Another 80/20 issue that they’re on the losing side.
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Dems have to speak out and defend. Defend America, not America Alone

- American safety: FAA, law enforcement (FBI, CIA)
- Strength with allies, not Alone
- American Health Care: NIH, CDC
- Putin is not our friend
- Defend the US Constitution
 
Paine said:
Always found it weird when it came from Protestants. Isn’t that their whole thing? They were tired of church hierarchy? I suppose they just wanted to replace it with a more personal hierarchy.
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That is correct. Religious freedom so that local leaders and politicitions did not have to agree with the Holy See. Martin Luther wanted the freedom to (a) not believe in transubstantiation and (b) pick and choose sacraments to believe in, and (c) that faith alone and not with the inclusion of acts is all that is ever needed.

A get out of jail free card - “He who saves a nation violates no law.” Which of course means that Trump has no intention of obeying the courts...

I'm not trying to begin a Catholic vs. Protestant thing, just some clarity on history. Martin Luther in a sense made the First Amendment possible. Freedom of/from Religion.
 
Paine said:
I think it goes back to the discussion about hierarchy.
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I mean..... the most intense MAGA's are often evangelicals. Hierarchy, if not basic blind obedience, is the name of the game for evangelicals and Christians in general.
 
Ramrouser said:
Head scratcher. Trump/Musk have painted the libs/media into defending government inefficiencies/fraud and general guardians of the stats quos. Another 80/20 issue that they’re on the losing side.
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I'm confused. Is this conservative Republican a lib or a media?

 
Paine said:
Always found it weird when it came from Protestants. Isn’t that their whole thing? They were tired of church hierarchy? I suppose they just wanted to replace it with a more personal hierarchy.
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That was 500 years ago and the vast majority of Protestants today would have been "faithful" Catholics during that time.
 
BillOfRights said:
I'm confused. Is this conservative Republican a lib or a media?

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Likely Lincoln Project Republican (whom the media worships) with TDS. He’s conservative the way Nicole Wallace is conservative. Musk has shown TONS of fraud in that agency. 80/20 issue.
 
Duke Mu said:
Absolutely. Also, threats of terrorist attacks. More pandemics. AI taking errr jibs! Grandma losing her SS checks.
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I mean you guys are already at levels of hysteria not seen since the country thought Russia was going to nuke the US.
 
This is old, but it fits on this thread. What follows is why I don’t care to engage with any republican or maga or conservative. They’re all assholes and trying to have a conversation with them is pointless, useless and fruitless.

“The question was posed, "Why do people continue supporting Trump no matter what he does?" A lady named Bev answered it this way:
“You all don't get it. I live in Trump country, in the Ozarks in southern Missouri, one of the last places where the KKK still has a relatively strong established presence.
They don't give a shit what he does. He's just something to rally around and hate liberals, that's it, period.
He absolutely realizes that and plays it up. They love it. He knows they love it.
The fact that people act like it's anything other than that proves to them that liberals are idiots, all the more reason for high fives all around.
If you keep getting caught up in "why do they not realize this problem" and "how can they still back Trump after this scandal," then you do not understand what the underlying motivating factor of his support is. It's fuck liberals, that's pretty much it.
Have you noticed he can do pretty much anything imaginable, and they'll explain some way that rationalizes it that makes zero logical sense?
Because they're not even keeping track of any coherent narrative, it's irrelevant. Fuck liberals is the only relevant thing.
Trust me; I know firsthand what I'm talking about.
That's why they just laugh at it all because you all don't even realize they truly don't give a fuck about whatever the conversation is about.
It's just a side mission story that doesn't matter anyway.
That's all just trivial details - the economy, health care, whatever.
Fuck liberals.
Look at the issue with not wearing the masks.
I can tell you what that's about. It's about exposing fear. They're playing chicken with nature, and whoever flinches just moved down their internal pecking order, one step closer to being a liberal.
You've got to understand the one core value that they hold above all others is hatred for what they consider weakness because that's what they believe strength is, hatred of weakness.
And I mean passionate, sadistic hatred.
And I'm not exaggerating. Believe me.
Sadistic, passionate hatred, and that's what proves they're strong, their passionate hatred for weakness.
Sometimes they will lump vulnerability in with weakness.
They do that because people tend to start humbling themselves when they're in some compromising or overwhelming circumstance, and to them, that's an obvious sign of weakness.
Kindness = weakness. Honesty = weakness.
Compromise = weakness.
They consider their very existence to be superior in every way to anyone who doesn't hate weakness as much as they do.
They consider liberals to be weak people that are inferior, almost a different species, and the fact that liberals are so weak is why they have to unite in large numbers, which they find disgusting, but it's that disgust that is a true expression of their natural superiority.
Go ahead and try to have a logical, rational conversation with them. Just keep in mind what I said here and be forewarned.”
 
Color me naive and hopeful that there are true and serious conservatives lurking here who may be willing to come forth and engage in an exchange of competing ideas about how best to preserve our democratic republic and move the country forward...
 
Centerpiece said:
This is old, but it fits on this thread. What follows is why I don’t care to engage with any republican or maga or conservative. They’re all assholes and trying to have a conversation with them is pointless, useless and fruitless.

“The question was posed, "Why do people continue supporting Trump no matter what he does?" A lady named Bev answered it this way:
“You all don't get it. I live in Trump country, in the Ozarks in southern Missouri, one of the last places where the KKK still has a relatively strong established presence.
They don't give a shit what he does. He's just something to rally around and hate liberals, that's it, period.
He absolutely realizes that and plays it up. They love it. He knows they love it.
The fact that people act like it's anything other than that proves to them that liberals are idiots, all the more reason for high fives all around.
If you keep getting caught up in "why do they not realize this problem" and "how can they still back Trump after this scandal," then you do not understand what the underlying motivating factor of his support is. It's fuck liberals, that's pretty much it.
Have you noticed he can do pretty much anything imaginable, and they'll explain some way that rationalizes it that makes zero logical sense?
Because they're not even keeping track of any coherent narrative, it's irrelevant. Fuck liberals is the only relevant thing.
Trust me; I know firsthand what I'm talking about.
That's why they just laugh at it all because you all don't even realize they truly don't give a fuck about whatever the conversation is about.
It's just a side mission story that doesn't matter anyway.
That's all just trivial details - the economy, health care, whatever.
Fuck liberals.
Look at the issue with not wearing the masks.
I can tell you what that's about. It's about exposing fear. They're playing chicken with nature, and whoever flinches just moved down their internal pecking order, one step closer to being a liberal.
You've got to understand the one core value that they hold above all others is hatred for what they consider weakness because that's what they believe strength is, hatred of weakness.
And I mean passionate, sadistic hatred.
And I'm not exaggerating. Believe me.
Sadistic, passionate hatred, and that's what proves they're strong, their passionate hatred for weakness.
Sometimes they will lump vulnerability in with weakness.
They do that because people tend to start humbling themselves when they're in some compromising or overwhelming circumstance, and to them, that's an obvious sign of weakness.
Kindness = weakness. Honesty = weakness.
Compromise = weakness.
They consider their very existence to be superior in every way to anyone who doesn't hate weakness as much as they do.
They consider liberals to be weak people that are inferior, almost a different species, and the fact that liberals are so weak is why they have to unite in large numbers, which they find disgusting, but it's that disgust that is a true expression of their natural superiority.
Go ahead and try to have a logical, rational conversation with them. Just keep in mind what I said here and be forewarned.”
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I'm sure there's some of that. There's always going to be a team aspect to politics. But I have my doubts that what she is describing in the deep backwoods where the KKK still has a relatively active presence is really representative of a large part pf the American electorate. I doubt it is enough to get him elected and then re-elected. I think there is a sizable portion of the people that elected him that either liked his policies or were disappointed in the Democrat's policies/candidates.

I think if we are serious about moving forward, we need to get that figured out. We need to move beyond Trump only got elected because people are racist or sexist or whatever (despite some fairly recent evidence to the contrary that gets ignored) and really understand if it's because we are putting some pretty crummy candidates out there or not campaigning/governing in a way that is going to get us elected in a democracy.
 
It doesn't have to get him elected if it gets him 75% of the way without question. Then he has to win the gullible, the uneducated and the scammers. all while supported by the pretty little hate machine that is rightwing media and their lies.
 
Ramrouser said:
Likely Lincoln Project Republican (whom the media worships) with TDS. He’s conservative the way Nicole Wallace is conservative. Musk has shown TONS of fraud in that agency. 80/20 issue.
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Musk has shown zero fraud in that agency. He didn't even claim to have found any. They just closed it because it was helping people.

Why are you such a liar?
 
finesse said:
It doesn't have to get him elected if it gets him 75% of the way without question. Then he has to win the gullible, the uneducated and the scammers. all while supported by the pretty little hate machine that is rightwing media and their lies.
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He gets 75% of the way there just for having an R at the end of the name. Probably a little further. So did W and McCain, etc. the people I'm talking about are the persuadable middle. Obama won them. Joe won them. What happened to Kamala and Hillary and Kerry?
 
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