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wmheel1287 said:
Lol, I bet if you checked ER average wait times, the relationship of wait times to percentage of immigrants in an area would be inverse.
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I'm most definitely not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but are you suggesting that when looking at the population that a particular hospital ER serves, as the percentage of immigrants, i.e., residents not born in the US, increases for that area, the average wait time in that ER decreases?
 
WaynetheDrain said:
I'll say it again. This has never been about ending illegal immigration. It has always been about ending ALL IMMIGRATION. But now, it seems even more sinister than I originally thought. It's about removing all undesirables, even citizens and legal residents.
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As if to prove my point. Trump openly threating to revoke the citizenship of a United States citizen that has said mean things about him.

www.yahoo.com

Donald Trump Is Giving ‘Serious Consideration’ to Revoking Rosie O’Donnell’s U.S. Citizenship: ‘She Is a Threat to Humanity’

In an early morning post to Truth Social on Saturday, President Donald Trump threatened to revoke the American citizenship of his longtime critic Rosie O’Donnell. “Because of the fact that Rosie O’Donnell is not in the best interests of our Great Country, I am giving serious consideration to...
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05C40 said:
I'm most definitely not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but are you suggesting that when looking at the population that a particular hospital ER serves, as the percentage of immigrants, i.e., residents not born in the US, increases for that area, the average wait time in that ER decreases?
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Yes, im saying i bet that is rhe case. You know who's sitting in ER waiting rooms? All the Americans who dont have health insurance and/or dont have the patience to wait for their PCP or urgent care are the ones in the ER.

You know who isn't there for the most part? Folks who don't have legal status.

From ChatGPT...

ER Usage Patterns Among Undocumented Immigrants
Lower Overall Healthcare Use
Multiple studies, including those from peer-reviewed journals like Health Affairs and reports from the Kaiser Family Foundation, have found that undocumented immigrants use all forms of healthcare—including ERs—less frequently than U.S. citizens and even legal immigrants.

Reasons include:

Fear of deportation.

Lack of health insurance (they are ineligible for most public programs like Medicaid).

Financial barriers.

Language and cultural barriers.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
One thing many people forget is that Nazis, although totally evil, were also a very weird, eccentric, and strange group of people. Some, like Hitler, had been petty criminals in their younger days, some (like Himmler) believed in the Norse Gods and thought that Thor and his hammer Mjolnir actually existed, among other supernatural artifacts, and sent teams of Nazis around the globe to retrieve them for Nazi use, some (like propaganda minister Goebbels) believed in astrology, and so on. In many cases they were freaks and fringe nutcases (as well as virulent racists and lots of other terrible things) in their youths who managed to become the absolute rulers of a powerful nation, created one of the most powerful personality cults of all time, and committed acts of horror on tens of millions in many different nations. Miller, I think, would fit right in with that group a century or so ago.
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The Occult and the Third Reich: The Mystical Origins of Nazism and the Search for the Holy Grail: Jean-Michel Angebert: 9780025021501: Amazon.com: Books


Read this book many years ago. Stuck with me.
 
korgguy1971 said:
Agreed.

While we're on the subject of that guy, Stephen Miller is absolutely the kind of dude who is "secretly" into black or Latina women.

Anyone who hates immigrants that much is in the throes of some serious denial and repression. We've seen numerous examples of this in the Evangelical community throughout the years (Ted Haggard, Gary Aldridge, to name a few), and we recently saw it with Mark Robinson. And I haven't even started naming all the political or congressional figures who fall into this category.

He's probably smart enough to not have an alternate online persona, but long-repressed desires have a way of overriding logic and reason.
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This may be true, but I would make an even larger bet that Miller has at some point tortured/killed small animals. I wish I was kidding but im not. Im 95% certain that guy has put a litter of puppies in a pillowcase and thrown it into a pond.
 
wmheel1287 said:
This may be true, but I would make an even larger bet that Miller has at some point tortured/killed small animals. I wish I was kidding but im not. Im 95% certain that guy has put a litter of puppies in a pillowcase and thrown it into a pond.
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It’s also possible that Miller has stalked and killed several-to-a-shitload of gay men.

The guy is nasty and evil.
 
superrific said:
Nah I think he's just a general purpose psychopath who would be a serial killer if he hadn't found a job with Trump.
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wmheel1287 said:
This may be true, but I would make an even larger bet that Miller has at some point tortured/killed small animals. I wish I was kidding but im not. I'm 95% certain that guy has put a litter of puppies in a pillowcase and thrown it into a pond.
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Why Dont We Have Both GIF

What y'all suggest is completely plausible. I'm thinking it's not an "either/or" situation, but an "and/also" situation. Miller is a creepy fuck, filled with vitriol and hatred, and unabashedly so.

(First time I ever used multi-quote; pretty cool feature)
 

ICE memo outlines plan to deport migrants to countries where they are not citizens​

The dramatic shift in policy could result in thousands of people being sent to places where they lack family ties or even a common language.

“…
Todd M. Lyons, the acting director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, wrote in a memo to the ICE workforce Wednesday that a Supreme Court ruling last month had cleared the way for officers to “immediately” start sending immigrants to “alternative” countries.

People being sent to countries where officials have not provided any “diplomatic assurances” that immigrants will be safe will be informed 24 hours in advance — and in “exigent” circumstances, just six. Those being flown to places that have offered those assurances could be deported with no advance notice….”
 
nycfan said:

ICE memo outlines plan to deport migrants to countries where they are not citizens​

The dramatic shift in policy could result in thousands of people being sent to places where they lack family ties or even a common language.

“…
Todd M. Lyons, the acting director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, wrote in a memo to the ICE workforce Wednesday that a Supreme Court ruling last month had cleared the way for officers to “immediately” start sending immigrants to “alternative” countries.

People being sent to countries where officials have not provided any “diplomatic assurances” that immigrants will be safe will be informed 24 hours in advance — and in “exigent” circumstances, just six. Those being flown to places that have offered those assurances could be deported with no advance notice….”
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I think they realize that even with the vastly increased ICE budget they can't get rid every immigrant, so the idea is to do cruel and inhumane things to immigrants (and there are reports of immigrants being beaten in these ICE centers) to "spread the word" that immigrants - including legal ones - need to get the hell out of the USA. They're trying to bully and frighten and terrify immigrants into leaving the country. Because then it will go back to being the heavily-white, conformist, diversity-less utopia that it was previously (and yes, I'm being sarcastic).

In the 1940s the great journalist John Gunther traveled to all 48 states and wrote a bestselling book, Inside USA, about his travels and experiences. It's a fabulous book, but one thing he often pointed out was that the cities and states that had the heaviest restrictions on drinking alcoholic beverages also usually had the worst statistics for alcoholism and public drunkenness, and that the states which bragged about having the highest percentage of native-born whites (like Arkansas or South Carolina) often had the worst statistics for poverty, high school graduation, lack of culture, etc. Having an overwhelming percentage of native-born whites in your population and little racial or ethnic diversity (or at least any that is tolerated or promoted) does not equal living in a Utopia, no matter what Trumpers might believe otherwise
 
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The uproar over Alligator Alcatraz is confusing.

Unless I'm missing something, the ONLY way the surroundings of a jail/prison matter, regardless of the crime you committed, is if you try to escape, right?
 
Mulberry Heel said:
I think they realize that even with the vastly increased ICE budget they can't get rid every immigrant, so the idea is to do cruel and inhumane things to immigrants (and there are reports of immigrants being beaten in these ICE centers) to "spread the word" that immigrants - including legal ones - need to get the hell out of the USA. They're trying to bully and frighten and terrify immigrants into leaving the country. Because then it will go back to being the heavily-white, conformist, diversity-less utopia that it was previously (and yes, I'm being sarcastic).

In the 1940s the great journalist John Gunther traveled to all 48 states and wrote a bestselling book, Inside USA, about his travels and experiences. It's a fabulous book, but one thing he often pointed out was that the cities and states that had the heaviest restrictions on drinking alcoholic beverages also usually had the worst statistics for alcoholism and public drunkenness, and that the states which bragged about having the highest percentage of native-born whites (like Arkansas or South Carolina) often had the worst statistics for poverty, high school graduation, lack of culture, etc. Having an overwhelming percentage of native-born whites in your population and little racial or ethnic diversity (or at least any that is tolerated or promoted) does not equal living in a Utopia, no matter what Trumpers might believe otherwise
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Once again, for all the people saying we’re being hysterical for pointing out the Nazi comparisons, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE NAZIS DID!!!!
 
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