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Callatoroy said:
Was the police officer murdering her? It isn't a hard concept to grasp without trying to use extreme anecdotes. Don't get in the middle of it. You don't know what is happening and why. Stay away, protest, and record. The groups orchestrating these protests want people to get killed / maimed as much as the left says ice wants to shoot people.
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When Bush, Clinton and Obama was deporting several million more people a year, we didn't have nearly this problem anywhere. Why did Trump change things?
 
ZenMode said:
You're creating a situation where police are now fighting with suspects and citizens. Any citizen who takes issue with something the cop is doing.

At the point the person who is determined to have "wrongly intervened" is punished, it's too late.

What you're suggesting is completely unsustainable.
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If you are condoning murder, then you are evil. Do not let cops murder someone if you can help it. Or rape. Step up and be a good human.
 
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“… Abbott made the comments on the Mark Davis Showon Monday, Jan 26, while speaking on the podcast about the Texas winter storm, the state's upcoming primaries and the protests in Minnesota. When asked by Davis whether he was "concerned that ICE's popularity ratings are going down," Abbott responded that the White House needs to recalibrate.

"They, being the White House, need to recalibrate on what needs to be done to make sure that respect is going to be reinstilled," Abbott said on the podcast. "That's not an easy task, especially under the current circumstances, but I know that they (the White House) are working on a game plan to make sure that they are going to ...recalibrate and maybe work from a different direction to ensure that they get back to get what they wanted to do to begin with — and that is to remove people from the country."

Abbott also said that the issues from Minnesota's deadly events stem from gubernatorial and mayoral leadership inciting violence.

"Texas actually ranks number one for ICE removals and yet we don't have fighting and protest like that ...and that's because we have leaders, whether that be the governor, or local mayors or other local leaders, no one's tried to incite violence here in the state of Texas."…”

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Of course, there has not been an invasion of any TX city by ICE/CPB agents 4-5x the size of the city police force, either, but setting that aside, if Abbott think your law enforcement tactics are out of control, you’ve definitely got a problem.
 
altmin said:
Now, the volunteers in Maine say federal agents have started showing up at their homes and intimidating them or threatening arrest. Some of them, masked and wearing tactical gear, have issued stark warnings not to follow them.

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ICE watchers in Maine say they were threatened by federal agents

Community members have been monitoring the activity of immigration agents in Greater Portland.
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From what I can find there are estimated to be around 5,000 undocumented immigrants in Maine. Why are they going there?
 
nycfan said:
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“… Abbott made the comments on the Mark Davis Showon Monday, Jan 26, while speaking on the podcast about the Texas winter storm, the state's upcoming primaries and the protests in Minnesota. When asked by Davis whether he was "concerned that ICE's popularity ratings are going down," Abbott responded that the White House needs to recalibrate.

"They, being the White House, need to recalibrate on what needs to be done to make sure that respect is going to be reinstilled," Abbott said on the podcast. "That's not an easy task, especially under the current circumstances, but I know that they (the White House) are working on a game plan to make sure that they are going to ...recalibrate and maybe work from a different direction to ensure that they get back to get what they wanted to do to begin with — and that is to remove people from the country."

Abbott also said that the issues from Minnesota's deadly events stem from gubernatorial and mayoral leadership inciting violence.

"Texas actually ranks number one for ICE removals and yet we don't have fighting and protest like that ...and that's because we have leaders, whether that be the governor, or local mayors or other local leaders, no one's tried to incite violence here in the state of Texas."…”

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Of course, there has not been an invasion of any TX city by ICE/CPB agents 4-5x the size of the city police force, either, but setting that aside, if Abbott think your law enforcement tactics are out of control, you’ve definitely got a problem.
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OTOH, there is a hardcore MAGA constituency that thinks ICE hasn’t gone too far enough.

 
1moretimeagain said:
From what I can find there are estimated to be around 5,000 undocumented immigrants in Maine. Why are they going there?
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Trump demands Maine governor apologize — or the state will face consequences​

President Donald Trump is demanding a “full throated apology” from Maine Gov. Janet Mills in his spat with the state over transgender athletes, implying his administration will continue to target the state unless he gets one.
 
nycfan said:
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“… Abbott made the comments on the Mark Davis Showon Monday, Jan 26, while speaking on the podcast about the Texas winter storm, the state's upcoming primaries and the protests in Minnesota. When asked by Davis whether he was "concerned that ICE's popularity ratings are going down," Abbott responded that the White House needs to recalibrate.

"They, being the White House, need to recalibrate on what needs to be done to make sure that respect is going to be reinstilled," Abbott said on the podcast. "That's not an easy task, especially under the current circumstances, but I know that they (the White House) are working on a game plan to make sure that they are going to ...recalibrate and maybe work from a different direction to ensure that they get back to get what they wanted to do to begin with — and that is to remove people from the country."

Abbott also said that the issues from Minnesota's deadly events stem from gubernatorial and mayoral leadership inciting violence.

"Texas actually ranks number one for ICE removals and yet we don't have fighting and protest like that ...and that's because we have leaders, whether that be the governor, or local mayors or other local leaders, no one's tried to incite violence here in the state of Texas."…”

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Of course, there has not been an invasion of any TX city by ICE/CPB agents 4-5x the size of the city police force, either, but setting that aside, if Abbott think your law enforcement tactics are out of control, you’ve definitely got a problem.
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Lololol yeah, if Wheelchair Willie is asking the admin to turn down the temp, Republicans know that they are absolutely, royally fucked.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
Okay, good. So now they’re just kneeing her in the head while she’s face down on the sidewalk. Intervene or keep walking?
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lol at these ridiculous hypothetical situations that aren't relevent. How many would instruct their kids to go intervene in these ice raids? My guess is not many. And if you wouldn't tell your kid to get in the middle of it you shouldn't hope or expect anyone else to. It's just not good and the implications of intervening isn't to complicated to understand if you are applying good faith. The real rub is that the extreme left doesn't want anyone in these sanctuary states deported. Doesn't matter if they had a criminal record or not. The left wants everyone here illegally to be allowed to stay. Full stop.

I also see no blame placed on the gov. or mayor for their role in this other than in right wing media. They have played a huge role so far but I'm just not seeing anyone show any objectivity because my guess is they don't believe in our immigration laws and fully support subverting them. Otherwise there would be calls coming from the left that were similar to Pence's statement.
 
nycfan said:
OTOH, there is a hardcore MAGA constituency that thinks ICE hasn’t gone too far enough.

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Ah yes, the House Freedom Caucus. Turns out all this time, the "freedom" was freedom for the executive to do as he pleases, apparently.

Seriously, it's mind boggling that a "Freedom Caucus" could be advocating using the Insurrection Act with a straight face, but anyway we always knew that their concept of freedom was never serious.
 
Calheel said:
If you are condoning murder, then you are evil. Do not let cops murder someone if you can help it. Or rape. Step up and be a good human.
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Not condoning murderer and encouraging or legalizing citizen intervention, when they don't like what they see, are different things.

After George Floyd, you would be okay with citizens actively intervening or assaulting any police officer that is kneeling on a suspect?
 
I think we should: 1. arrest and deport any and all violent undocumented immigrants; 2. leave alone the law-abiding ones who are here to work and contribute to our economy and society; 3. arrest and put before a jury trial of their peers each and every federal agent directly responsible for the heinous murders of Renee Good and Alex Pretti; and 4. impeach and remove the individuals whose explicit commands or whose lack of oversight/control of their for subordinates resulted in the execution of two American citizens exercising their Constitutional rights.
 
Callatoroy said:
The real rub is that the extreme left doesn't want anyone in these sanctuary states deported. Doesn't matter if they had a criminal record or not. The left wants everyone here illegally to be allowed to stay. Full stop.

I also see no blame placed on the gov. or mayor for their role in this other than in right wing media. They have played a huge role so far but I'm just not seeing anyone show any objectivity because my guess is they don't believe in our immigration laws and fully support subverting them. Otherwise there would be calls coming from the left that were similar to Pence's statement.
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None of this is true. That's not a real rub -- that's just your projection. It's what you guys do: assign nefarious motives to unobjectionable behavior to justify your criticism. Do you really think Renee Good wanted everyone here illegally be allowed to stay?

[Note: many of the people being detained ARE here legally, just not in ways that the Trump administration likes. For instance, anyone who entered with Biden's app is here legally].

Perhaps you could elaborate on how the governor and/or mayor has played some role. But more than likely, you cannot. You're just throwing shit against a wall.
 
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