—> ICE / Immigration / Nation grapples with ICE killings

[superrific]

Like Zen, I'm not too confident on point 4, but I definitely want investigation. If there were supervisors and higher ups out there pushing these ICE agents to escalate, heads need to roll.

What do you need to investigate? We know that they are telling the trainees they have absolute immunity, and if we didn't, we could infer it from the fact that Trump has taken zero actions to discipline or even investigate any ICE or CBP thugs? The message sent by smearing Renee Good instead of investigating Jonathan Ross was very clearly: the administration has your back, you don't need to worry about any consequences.

In what world is that not impeachable? Or criminal? If the mob boss says, "take care of Tony" and then Tony gets whacked, it's not hard to infer as to what the boss meant. If he also says, "if anything goes wrong, we'll protect you," then very clearly he is not saying to litigate against Tony.

 

[nycfan]

 

[Jetson]

How about the role of rolling out the welcome mat for people who are here illegally, telling them they won't be held to the laws of the land, and then make conflicting comments when the chaos starts. How about telling federal agents to leave who are here to enforce the laws that the gov and mayor ignore. If you don't see that as a problem then again you object to any immigration enforcement.

Rolling out the welcome mat, how? What does that mean? What conflicting comments? What immigration laws are they breaking? You're just going to ignore that Minnesota is explicitly following immigration laws?

 

[dukeman92]

Unless it's been reported, we have no idea why ICE was going after her and whether it was justified. Either way, he had no business getting involved.

I bet your dick has been flaccid for a while.

Of course citizen should not be intervening or interfering in what law enforcement is doing with other citizens, but a citizen exercising their constitutional rights to assemble, video record, and legally carry isn’t intervening or interfering. Nor is attempting to help another citizen who has been pushed and has fallen, but who is not being otherwise apprehended. Which is exactly what was happening- per video evidence from multiple sources and multiple angles – when Alex Pretti was murdered.

He knows that, dude.

 

[finesse]

Rolling out the welcome mat, how? What does that mean? What conflicting comments? What immigration laws are they breaking? You're just going to ignore that Minnesota is explicitly following immigration laws?

Why let facts spoil the narrative?

 

[1moretimeagain]

 

[heelinhell]

lol at these ridiculous hypothetical situations that aren't relevent. How many would instruct their kids to go intervene in these ice raids? My guess is not many. And if you wouldn't tell your kid to get in the middle of it you shouldn't hope or expect anyone else to. It's just not good and the implications of intervening isn't to complicated to understand if you are applying good faith. The real rub is that the extreme left doesn't want anyone in these sanctuary states deported. Doesn't matter if they had a criminal record or not. The left wants everyone here illegally to be allowed to stay. Full stop.

I also see no blame placed on the gov. or mayor for their role in this other than in right wing media. They have played a huge role so far but I'm just not seeing anyone show any objectivity because my guess is they don't believe in our immigration laws and fully support subverting them. Otherwise there would be calls coming from the left that were similar to Pence's statement.

What do you think is the motivation for "the left" wanting "everyone here illegally to be allowed to stay" ?

I think liberals like me object to the beating, jailing/ deporting , and the traumatizing of law abiding families with no violent criminal history who have been here for years contributing to our country simply because they committed the misdemeanor of being undocumented.

Believe it or not but there are a good many communities in this pluralistic country of ours that cherish our brown skin neighbors. We are not frightened that they are here to murder, rape us, or eat our dogs and cats. The attempt to stoke fear by Trump/MAGA/Fox News et al has fallen on their deaf ears.

I remain hopeful that you can separate the wheat from the chaff.

 

[lightbluenc]

That little piggy cries wee wee wee, all the way home

 

[nycfan]

Utah Republican

 

[nycfan]

Violent, masked men wonder why people don’t like them.

 

[Callatoroy]

This is standard MAGA strategy, assign a position to the Dems that we do not hold and argue against that. I have NEVER encountered a single liberal that wants violent criminals to remain here illegally. It's

Tell me if I'm wrong. If so, where

Chamtrain's view on illegal immigration enforcement:

Do you want violent criminal aliens in the country deported? Yes
Do you want non-violent criminal aliens in this country deported? No
Do you want illegal aliens in this country that have committed no crime (other than over-staying) deported? Hell No
Do you support the fed g'ments job to deport illegal aliens? No
Do you support sanctuary cities efforts to provide a safe haven from the country's immigration laws? Hell yes.

That about sum it up?

 

[ZenMode]

But you didn't answer the question?

In a vacuum, yes I would attempt to intervene. In reality, I have two kids that rely on me and I would hesitate to intervene for a fear of being killed, even if I was 100% right and what I was doing.

 

[nycfan]

 

[nycfan]

Didn’t know he is representing Ross. If that case had any chance of going to trial, I would suspect this as a defense attorney stunt.

 

[Jetson]

At least one fascist is leaving. Sounds like many more to go though.

 

[Callatoroy]

So you don't want to answer? Who controls the number of attempted crossings? Did Covid have any affect? How did Title 42 affect the numbers?

No, I don't want to play BS stat manipulating games where you apply no context to any numbers. Maybe you don't understand the numbers. I don't know. But the numbers ultimately led to the democrats losing the election in large part due to the left's policies towards immigration vs. the right's policies.

 

[CFordUNC]

 

[superrific]

How about the role of rolling out the welcome mat for people who are here illegally, telling them they won't be held to the laws of the land, and then make conflicting comments when the chaos starts. How about telling federal agents to leave who are here to enforce the laws that the gov and mayor ignore. If you don't see that as a problem then again you object to any immigration enforcement.

It is not the role of the mayor to enforce federal immigration law. In fact, he's prevented from doing so, which is why you talk about cooperation.

The mayor's job is to ensure the safety and welfare of its residents. That's all. Do you think it's just a coincidence that virtually every PD in every big city has concluded that "sanctuary policies" are pro-safety? I don't. Because sanctuary policies are basically just this: do not attach immigration consequences to every interaction between a person and the government. That's all. It has nothing to do with condoning law breaking.

For instance: if someone risks getting deported for a traffic ticket, then what's he likely to do if he's caught speeding? Just give himself up and get deported? I doubt it. He is likely to flee, creating a high speed chase. That does not promote safety. That promotes the opposite.

For instance: if there's a criminal act, does it promote or hinder public safety to encourage eyewitnesses to come forward? They will not do so if they think the consequence will be deportation. So if you want GOOD law enforcement, then sanctuary policies are a no-brainer.

For instance: if I hire someone to put a new roof on my house, and someone falls and gets injured, should the ambulance driver be enforcing immigration laws? Oh, you got hurt, you're illegal, let's take you to detention. What incentive does that create? And it's even worse if the police also show up to take people away. Is that helping me be safe? No. All I want is a new roof. Now I have no roof because the cops dragged away the roofers mid-job.

Do you get it? Note also that ICE or CBP has tended not to enforce immigration laws in those contexts, until now. They wouldn't be rolling around just looking for people to nab. That's because nabbing my roofers does not help America at all. It just makes for unfinished roofs.

 

[CFordUNC]

Saw this floating around on Twitter and got a good chuckle. Can't believe the libs got masculinity, the Second Amendment, and "Don't Tread on Me" in the national divorce!

 

[Jetson]

No, I don't want to play BS stat manipulating games where you apply no context to any numbers. Maybe you don't understand the numbers. I don't know. But the numbers ultimately led to the democrats losing the election in large part due to the left's policies towards immigration vs. the right's policies.

I don't understand the numbers? I'm pretty sure I understand that crime, in particular violent crime, has been declining for 3 years. All while "thousands upon thousands" of violent criminals have been free to cross the boarder. Can you help me understand why that is?