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Bobfripp said:
www.cbsnews.com

Less than 14% of those arrested by ICE in Trump's 1st year back in office had violent criminal records, document shows

The official DHS statistics, which had not been previously reported, provide the most detailed look yet into who ICE has arrested during the Trump administration's crackdown.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com

"Nearly 40% of all of those arrested by ICE in Mr. Trump's first year back in office did not have any criminal record at all, and were only accused of civil immigration offenses, such as living in the U.S. illegally or overstaying their permission to be in the country, the DHS document shows."

Should I trust McLaughlin?
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I trust the numbers reported in the cbs article.
 
Just as an aside, in a climate that for years been increasingly hostile to immigrants, what are the chances that both the numbers of charges and convictions are tainted? Not much you can say about the convictions. Those have to be looked at individually which probably will not happen. It does seem that if ever reasonable doubt would apply, it would be in using the simple fact of being charged to influence whether they should be deported.
 
Zoo_View said:
You hedged and didn’t answer.

Today, Is CBS News biased against Trump or for Trump?

Against Trump:

For Trump:
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I don’t know the answer to that because I don’t typically watch or read cbs news. I know historically they have been. Now they need trump to sign off on a merger.

Im referring to the specific article cited a few pages ago and your opinion of it.
 
Trump grew the DHS budget from $6B to $85B and is getting worse results.
Coming from the architect of stupid-assed tariffs and a dozen personal bankruptcies, is anyone surprised?
 
Callatoroy said:
Apple News. Is your inclination to not believe it? You hadn’t seen it reported?
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It’s from FoxNews, it simply repeats comments made by DHS and makes no attempt to independently verify anything.
Given the repeated, demonstrable lies from DHS and the rest of the Trump administration, why should anyone believe what they say until it can be confirmed by real journalists or other trustworthy sources?
 
Zoo_View said:
You hedged and didn’t answer.

Today, Is CBS News biased against Trump or for Trump?

Against Trump:

For Trump:
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The article in question was not written from a pro trump pov. It was critical of his claim of going after the worst. Do you agree with that interpretation?
 
Murders in the streets. Nullification of the 1st, 2nd, (c. finesse), 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments. Massive taxpayer theft and human rights violations to facilitate private concentration camps and right wing militias. Tens of thousands of law abiding citizens ripped from their communities and families destroyed. The best counter argument is a relatively few anecdotes about the small percentage of violent criminals they are arresting and loads of Fox News, Bari Weiss, and straight from the administration propaganda.
 
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BlooVooDoo said:
It’s from FoxNews, it simply repeats comments made by DHS and makes no attempt to independently verify anything.
Given the repeated, demonstrable lies from DHS and the rest of the Trump administration, why should anyone believe what they say until it can be confirmed by real journalists or other trustworthy sources?
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it appeared in Apple News and sourced from Fox News. The majority of the info is easily refuted if not true. You either believe ice arrested those individuals or they made up fictitious people and created false criminal histories which isnt very likely. The source isn’t what is relevant here. The info reported is what is important.
 
pspsps said:
Murders in the streets. Nullification of the 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments. Massive taxpayer theft and human rights violations to facilitate private concentration camps and right wing militias. Tens of thousands of law abiding citizens ripped from their communities and families destroyed. The best counter argument is a relatively few anecdotes about the small percentage of violent criminals they are arresting and loads of Fox News, Bari Weiss, and straight from the administration propaganda.
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Yeah, but Trump is trying his best to end democracy in the USA and his supporters obviously favor that.
For them, the choice between good immigration policy plus free and fair elections is far less desirable than sending innocent people to die in a Salvadoran prison plus authoritarianism.
So, you have to look at the bigger picture.
 
pspsps said:
Murders in the streets. Nullification of the 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments. Massive taxpayer theft and human rights violations to facilitate private concentration camps and right wing militias. Tens of thousands of law abiding citizens ripped from their communities and families destroyed. The best counter argument is a relatively few anecdotes about the small percentage of violent criminals they are arresting and loads of Fox News, Bari Weiss, and straight from the administration propaganda.
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Factually false.
 
Bobfripp said:
www.cbsnews.com

Less than 14% of those arrested by ICE in Trump's 1st year back in office had violent criminal records, document shows

The official DHS statistics, which had not been previously reported, provide the most detailed look yet into who ICE has arrested during the Trump administration's crackdown.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com

"Nearly 40% of all of those arrested by ICE in Mr. Trump's first year back in office did not have any criminal record at all, and were only accused of civil immigration offenses, such as living in the U.S. illegally or overstaying their permission to be in the country, the DHS document shows."

Should I trust McLaughlin?
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From the CBS article. These are the people ICE has deported.

Civil immigration violations only (39.8%)
All other crimes (30.1%)
Assault (10.9%)
DWI / DUI (7.6%)
Dangerous Drugs (5.7%)
Weapons Offenses (1.6%)
Sexual Assault (1.4%)
Burglary (1.3%)
Robbery (0.7%)
Homicide (0.5%)
Kidnapping (0.3%)
Arson (0.1%)

There are also people who've lost their asylum case, are not criminals beyond that, who should be deported according to our own laws. So, while people may disagree with where the line is drawn, I don't see anything wrong with deporting non-violent criminals who are here illegally. Given the demand to come here, we can afford to be selective. We don't need to import drunk drivers.
 
pspsps said:
Murders in the streets. Nullification of the 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments. Massive taxpayer theft and human rights violations to facilitate private concentration camps and right wing militias. Tens of thousands of law abiding citizens ripped from their communities and families destroyed. The best counter argument is a relatively few anecdotes about the small percentage of violent criminals they are arresting and loads of Fox News, Bari Weiss, and straight from the administration propaganda.
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You missed the 1st and 2nd. They're trying to do the same thing to the Bill of Rights that they have the Ten Commandments.
 
ZenMode said:
From the CBS article. These are the people ICE has deported.

Civil immigration violations only (39.8%)
All other crimes (30.1%)
Assault (10.9%)
DWI / DUI (7.6%)
Dangerous Drugs (5.7%)
Weapons Offenses (1.6%)
Sexual Assault (1.4%)
Burglary (1.3%)
Robbery (0.7%)
Homicide (0.5%)
Kidnapping (0.3%)
Arson (0.1%)

There are also people who've lost their asylum case, are not criminals beyond that, who should be deported according to our own laws. So, while people may disagree with where the line is drawn, I don't see anything wrong with deporting non-violent criminals who are here illegally. Given the demand to come here, we can afford to be selective. We don't need to import drunk drivers.
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Just a couple of holes in that. A lot of people are having their asylum overturned en bloc so they they didn't actually get a hearing and I still don't know why being charged with something in today's political climate means a damned thing.
 
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