I'm a former IC ZZL/P Mod = AMA

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LosPollosHermanos said:
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Look dude I was banned right after the post so it didn't go to some committee, and your name is sitting right there on one of the posts deleting my post. So you were on duty. I can't say with certainty whether you made the initial call or what but you were in on it in some capacity. At least you admit I was never contacted by anyone and not put in the ban thread. The reality is all the policies and procedures you refer to on this thread are a load of crap. I'm not holding a grudge, It's not like a had some legacy as a poster on there and you can get right back on. But if a thread about ZZLP moderating comes up yes I'm going to say my piece and tell what happened in my instance.
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You were banned immediately while the mods would have sorted out what was going on with you. My entire contribution to that thread was to edit one post after yours and, at this point, there's no way to tell how long after the immediate event my edit occurred. I wasn't a participant on that thread and I wasn't the one who put in the ban for you. And given where I was in my personal life at that point, I probably wasn't involved enough to ensure that you got a PM or that the ban thread was updated properly. But I've already said that we erred there. I was probably involved in some discussion about your ban, although what my contribution might have been has been lost to time.

But given that the 3 posts after yours were...

Zooview: "Really? You want to write that? Really?"

WaynetheDrain: "He's going out in a blaze of stupidity."

sunnyheel: "Transphobia - it's what's happening"

...I'm guessing whatever you said was clearly transphobic (especially since your two previous posts supporting Chappelle on that thread were left untouched, so it wasn't merely your views but whatever specific thing you said that got you a ban) and you were moderated for it.

So, in the case that you apparently went full transphobic and said something clearly over the line, I have no issue with the fact you were banned with no warnings and no appeal. While I don't know exactly what you said, judging from the thread the ban was fairly clearly valid. I do hate you didn't get a PM and your ban didn't get added to the ban thread and the lack of those are duly noted. Of course, had you not immediately followed your ban by PM'ing me insulting me and later followed up with threats, you might have been able to get a reasoned response and explanation.

So, we'll note that in your case you didn't receive the customary PM and ban thread note. And that you were almost certainly justifiably banned for being transphobic.

I hope you're able to overcome this terrible saga to go on to live a normal life.
 
ZenMode said:
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that's 95% of the world is straight and 5% is gay. If those two groups switch places, do you think birth rates would increase, decrease or remain unchanged?
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The Spartans did pretty well. A basic understanding of sex and economics and a less polarized view of sexuality might work wonders.

You could easily make the case that, since numbers isn't the path to wealth, power and security that it once was, population growth is undesirable anyway.
 
ZenMode said:
abnormal
adjective
ab·nor·mal (ˌ)ab-ˈnȯr-məl əb-
Synonyms of abnormal
: deviating from the normal or average
a person with abnormal [=exceptional] strength
abnormal powers of concentration
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And normal is a judgment. It is not a perfect synonym for "most common." You've dug in so far on this point that you will never retreat, but the word you're looking for is atypical. Abnormal is just wrong.
 
ZenMode said:
Reality doesn't change based on your audience. You may choose not to say xxxxx in front of a specific audience, but that's completely different. Again, on a forum that is dedicated to talking about politics, it's incredibly odd that someone would be banned for saying something is abnormal that actually IS abnormal....

I'll leave it at that. This is getting to the point of "beating a dead horse".
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And again, you saying it's abnormal is the wrong term, and others have pointed that out to you but you choose to ignore it. Just because you don't tell homosexuals they are abnormal to their face doesn't mean it's still okay to use a derogatory and incorrect term.
 
NCK9 said:
A bit surprising that both were given so much leeway by the mods that it escalated up to the powers-that-be. Were they given more chances than others because of their level/longevity of participation?
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Length and level of participation were certainly factors in how the ZZL/P mods handled them. Both were also somewhat skilled at determining the line of where you'd get banned and staying just barely inside of it most of the time.

Ultimately, both were undone because once they solidly went over the line, everyone within the chain of command was familiar with them, there was no one inclined to cut them any further slack, and so the order came down fairly quickly for the permaban.
 
Snoop, why did you ban RBG?

Edit: sorry, I just saw your response to this question on an earlier page. Can I modify my question?
 
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Zoo_View said:
Wasn’t UNCBA2007 briefly made a mod (to have a “conservative” mod)……..and, he almost immediately posted transphobic/homophobic comment(s)?
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Not that I remember.

Might you be confusing him with bigdogrules who became a mod and then made an anti-Muslim joke that was in very poor taste (and was then had his modship revoked)?
 
Centerpiece said:
And this is where everybody is a moderator. I’ve tried the ignore thing… but the BS still seeps through. Super ignore allows one to “ban” a poster from your world. I was told early on by nyc simply: don’t respond or engage, then after that, hit ignore, then after that super ignore. Basically they want us to police the board ourselves. Yes, this will eventually turn this into the “dreaded echo chamber” …. But…. Oh well.
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I will say this as a former IC moderator...the super ignore feature is a game-changer in terms of balancing the needs of the community vs the "right" of posters to say crummy things.

If everyone can completely ignore posters they don't want to read and find problematic, it does decrease the need to remove those folks for "the good of the board".

I'm glad that functionality exists, because if a particular poster gets bad enough, the majority of posters will likely just super ignore that poster and the problem will be solved without an actual ban being issued.
 
ZenMode said:
Reality doesn't change based on your audience. You may choose not to say xxxxx in front of a specific audience, but that's completely different. Again, on a forum that is dedicated to talking about politics, it's incredibly odd that someone would be banned for saying something is abnormal that actually IS abnormal....

I'll leave it at that. This is getting to the point of "beating a dead horse".
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And you're being willfully ignorant on the term and has gotten to the point of talking to a wall.
 
ZenMode said:
Perceiving something as wrong doesn't mean that it is wrong. Again, the normal state for mammals is that one gender is attracted to the other. The normal state for eyes is that they allow a mammal to experience the world visually. If a mammal is attracted to the same gender, or they have eyes that don't allow them to visually experience the world, both of those are abnormal. Feelings don't change that. Perception doesn't change that. The fact that it may not be appropriate to express that in any/all situations doesn't change that.

I left the Republican party and registered independent years ago, which means I can't vote in the primaries. I didn't join the Democratic party because of, among other things, stuff like this where you are labeled a bigot for saying "It's not normal if your eyes don't allow you to see" or "Trans females aren't biological females".

Either realities/facts matter or they don't. It can't be "Well, what you're saying is true, but you can't ever say it because it just sounds mean".
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How are you defining normal? on average 10% of people are left handed, does this mean that they are abnormal? Or does it mean that there are variations of humans and not one "Normal" human?

There are 9 billion people in the world, no two are exactly the same, which one is the normal one that we are all supposed to be like?

Using eyes as an example, there's a whole spectrum of abilities to see. Why do we need to define any one as "normal" and say that everyone else is "abnormal", why does that matter? Can't they simply be different? I've read that more people need vision correction than do not, does this mean that normal is not being able to see 20/20? In this example, I would define 20/20 as ideal or the target, not normal. What about eye color, which one is normal? Blue, brown? There are so many variations.

Normal is a concept. We simply choose to define something as normal if the majority fit into that category. There isn't really a normal.

The problem is that so many use that concept to be hurtful to others for no reason.

I don't care if one states that a trans female isn't a biological female, it's technically true. But to say that there is something wrong with the person, which "Abnormal" asserts, isn't necessary and in some context is bigoted. Why can't we simply accept that people are different and just agree that everyone is pretty much seeking the same thing, a happy life filled with love and acceptance.

My opinion is that many people are mean for no reason, and I just don't understand the need. We need to get past the stupid arguments that many on the right are making in their war on anyone who isn't exactly like them and focus on how we can make the world better for everyone.

Then there's also evolution. However slow, we are changing and evolving, so if something were to change through evolution, which is normal, the old version or the new version?


I actually believe that in a functioning society sometimes it is true what you're saying is technically true, but you shouldn't say it because it just is mean and unnecessary. But I will not say that these things can never be said, rather that the context of them being said matters and should be considered.

There's a big difference in saying: "trans females are not biological females" vs saying "they are just freaks and abominations".
 
SnoopRob said:
Not that I remember.

Might you be confusing him with bigdogrules who became a mod and then made an anti-Muslim joke that was in very poor taste (and was then had his modship revoked)?
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Definitely wasn’t bigdogrules.

The person I’m thinking about taught in a high school….talked about how much the students loved him and he’d never heard a student say they were trans or gay……and, they’d obviously talk to him because everyone liked him and he was Mr. Approachable.
 
Turd Ferguson said:
He was the doctor, right?
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He was the one who called out heelinhell for pushing leronlimad as a cure for covid while owning a significant amount of shares in the company. Griff also called out heelinhell on this. I’m not sure who was first.

Ironically (?) he was also a major proponent of the first vaccine, while others were skeptical of it…”rear view mirror.”
 
Zoo_View said:
Definitely wasn’t bigdogrules.

The person I’m thinking about taught in a high school….talked about how much the students loved him and he’d never heard a student say they were trans or gay……and, they’d obviously talk to him because everyone liked him and he was Mr. Approachable.
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Pretty sure that was BA2007. But I don't recall him being a mod.
 
ZenMode said:
I supported gay marriage before Obama supported gay marriage.... That's a byproduct of my libertarian leanings. That doesn't change the reality of what is normal and abnormal.

When stating facts alone gets you labeled a bigot, the issue isn't with the person stating the facts.
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You guys seem to be in the weeds of semantics.

I'm confident that you are tactful and not going to say things that are offensive.

While I don't agree with what I've read about "normal" vs "abnormal" since so many things are simply not binary and are rather on a spectrum, I'll just say that I'm glad that you support gay people, and I hope you add a little more nuance to the binary normal/abnormal stuff. (y)
 
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