Iran Catch-All | IRAN WAR - US Blockade, Lebanon Ceasefire

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"Iran came out with the upper hand"? from above post.

Notice Trump is celebrating that IRAN is opening the Strait up. So its now their door to open........and close when they want to. Got it.
 
BlueSmoke said:
"Iran came out with the upper hand"? from above post.

Notice Trump is celebrating that IRAN is opening the Strait up. So its now their door to open........and close when they want to. Got it.
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Knowing that the US can ruin their economy at will, I'll bet the farm that Iran doesn't close the strait again.
 
ZenMode said:
Knowing that the US can ruin their economy at will, I'll bet the farm that Iran doesn't close the strait again.
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Such a dumb post with such unwarranted bravado. If Iran is so inclined, they can cripple not only our economy but that of the entire globe by choking off the Strait and sending global oil, gasoline, and diesel prices skyrocketing. Certainly we can inflict major economic damage on them, as well, but at a cost that is – or should be – considered completely unpalatable for the United States
 
If this is the end of the affair, then I think Trump's gambles have, as best as they are able, worked. But I don't like military games of chicken. Eventually, one will end with a mass casualty event. I also don't think that this is the end of the affair, but we will see.
 
So the deal includes Trump offering to pay Iran 20 billion in exchange for their uranium ? It looks like Iran has not accepted that offer. The question is how many billions will Iran accept for the exchange ?

www.rawstory.com

'Trump wants to pay them?' Observers baffled after White House's Iran deal plans leak

Onlookers and critics were left baffled Friday after the Trump administration’s plans for ending its war against Iran were leaked by two U.S. officials and two additional insiders familiar with the White House’s negotiations.As reported by Axios on Friday, the Trump administration is reportedly...
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I obviously can’t stand Donald Trump but whatever it takes to get the Strait open at this point and prevent the global economy from careening off the tracks into possible recession or depression territory, I’m happy to get it done.

That said, it is a shame that what should be a win for all of our pocket books in the short term comes at the cost of a major strategic loss for the United States in the long-term. We went from demanding UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER by way of TOTAL OBLITERATION to…. why sure you can keep your regime! Why of course you don’t have to permanently dismantle your nuclear weapons ambitions! Why certainly we will lift crippling economic sanctions on you! It’s no problem that you killed dozens of our service members and wounded hundreds others, and destroyed much of our military base infrastructure in the Middle East! But of course you retain the ability to launch missiles at our allies in the Gulf whenever you want! And certainly you can have the ability to continue to fund terrorist proxy groups – why, to throw a cherry on top, we will actually give you billions and billions and billions of dollars for your troubles!

Such an unbelievably humiliating capitulation, and almost certainly the end of America’s ability to project true strength, power, and hegemony in the Middle East if not beyond, but I guess I’m glad we might pay a few cents per dollar less on the gallon at the pump. Thank you, President Trump!
 
heelinhell said:
So the deal includes Trump offering to pay Iran 20 billion in exchange for their uranium ? It looks like Iran has not accepted that offer. The question is how many billions will Iran accept for the exchange ?

www.rawstory.com

'Trump wants to pay them?' Observers baffled after White House's Iran deal plans leak

Onlookers and critics were left baffled Friday after the Trump administration’s plans for ending its war against Iran were leaked by two U.S. officials and two additional insiders familiar with the White House’s negotiations.As reported by Axios on Friday, the Trump administration is reportedly...
www.rawstory.com www.rawstory.com
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PALLETS OF CASH! PALLETS OF CASH! PALLETS OF CASH! Thank you, President Trump.
 
CFordUNC said:
Such a dumb post with such unwarranted bravado. If Iran is so inclined, they can cripple not only our economy but that of the entire globe by choking off the Strait and sending global oil, gasoline, and diesel prices skyrocketing. Certainly we can inflict major economic damage on them, as well, but at a cost that is – or should be – considered completely unpalatable for the United States
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The globe was able to tolerate about 6 weeks of Iran closing the strait and could have gone longer.

Iran could tolerate about 4 days.
 
sringwal said:
If this is the end of the affair, then I think Trump's gambles have, as best as they are able, worked. But I don't like military games of chicken. Eventually, one will end with a mass casualty event. I also don't think that this is the end of the affair, but we will see.
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I don’t think the gamble worked at all. I think we are in a significantly- far significantly- worse strategic spot as it pertains to Iran and the Middle East, than we were six weeks ago. We’ve gained absolutely nothing that we didn’t already have six weeks ago, and to do so we’ve lost dozens of American lives and hundreds of American wounded, lost untold billions of dollars of taxpayer money, lost untold billions of dollars of military weaponry and equipment, lost any semblance of ability to project true intimidation and strength, and are apparently going to pay Iran what essentially amounts to reparations on top of it all. All of this could have very easily been avoided if we did not have the absolute dumbest imbeciles in control of our ability to negotiate on the world stage.
 
Iran: The strait will be closed
US: Let's have a cease fire!
Iran: OK, we'll open the strait as long as everyone obeys the terms, including Israel.
US: Great!

Israel: keeps bombing

Iran: The strait won't open until Israel stops bombing
US: That wasn't the deal!
Iran: The strait stays closed
US: Then we will blockade you
Iran: The strait remains closed until Israel stops bombing
US: But we have a blockade!
Iran: The strait is closed.

Israel reaches a cease fire. Trump promises that Israel will be "prohibited" from further attacks

Iran: As we said, the strait will open when Israel obeys the cease-fire. So we'll open it a little while
Idiots: TRUMP!!!!! THE BLOCKADE WAS AWESOME!!!!!

Some of you people are so fucking stupid.
 
CFordUNC said:
I don’t think the gamble worked at all. I think we are in a significantly- far significantly- worse strategic spot as it pertains to Iran and the Middle East, than we were six weeks ago. We’ve gained absolutely nothing that we didn’t already have six weeks ago, and to do so we’ve lost dozens of American lives and hundreds of American wounded, lost untold billions of dollars of taxpayer money, lost untold billions of dollars of military weaponry and equipment, lost any semblance of ability to project true intimidation and strength, and are apparently going to pay Iran what essentially amounts to reparations on top of it all. All of this could have very easily been avoided if we did not have the absolute dumbest imbeciles in control of our ability to negotiate on the world stage.
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Oh, the war as a whole has been an abject failure. My point is that we are two weeks removed from Trump posting the most idiotic thing that any president has ever written. Where we are right now is, IMO, best case scenario for how the last two weeks could have played out. Certainly better than anybody involved deserves. We have avoided catastrophe, for now.
 
ZenMode said:
Knowing that the US can ruin their economy at will, I'll bet the farm that Iran doesn't close the strait again.
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Would you shut up? You're always wrong, so if you keep posting shit like this, they will probably close the fucking strait again. Leave everything alone.

Meanwhile, you're still the guy who said it was ridiculous to think we would go to war with Venezuela. Or Iran.
 
sringwal said:
Oh, the war as a hold has been an abject failure. My point is that we are two weeks removed from Trump posting the most idiotic thing that any president has ever written. Where we are right now is, IMO, best case scenario for how the last two weeks could have played out. Certainly better than anybody involved deserves. We have avoided catastrophe, for now.
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Ohhh I gotcha, I gotcha. Yeah, I think you’re exactly right. The fact that we managed to escape unscathed from the freaking President of the United States threatening to kill an entire civilization of 90 million people, is admittedly remarkable.
 
Obama gave Iran $400M in *their own* cash. Trump is going to give Iran $20B of **our** own cash. The Art of the Deal! So much winning!
 
Ramrouser said:
They're announcing the "opening" of the Strait since the US is now controlling the Strait with the blockade and we discovered in the past few days that there were no mines in the Strait - i.e. Iran was bluffing.
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Sure, pal. They said they would open the strait when Israel obeyed the cease-fire. Israel is now finally obeying a cease-fire, and Iran opened the strait.

In other words, Iran did exactly what they said they would do.

The blockade didn't do shit. Idiot.
 
sringwal said:
If this is the end of the affair, then I think Trump's gambles have, as best as they are able, worked. But I don't like military games of chicken. Eventually, one will end with a mass casualty event. I also don't think that this is the end of the affair, but we will see.
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This one was absolutely a mass casualty event for the Iranians and the Lebanese. That should matter, too.
 
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