Is MAGA MSG Rally the October Surprise?

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nycfan said:
I mean, not that their behavior is surprising but …

I’ve always thought the 1992 GOP Convention, particularly Pat Buchanan’s speech, was the most destructive thing that happened to the GHWB re-election campaign. It wasn’t just Buchanan, though his speech was the culmination of the turn toward far right militia and other groups by an already desperate Bush campaign.

Flashback:

“…, Patrick J. Buchanan rocked the Republican convention in Houston by declaring there was a “cultural war” taking place for the soul of America, denouncing the Democratic Party as one that supported abortion, radical feminism and the “homosexual rights movement.”

“The agenda Clinton and Clinton would impose on America — abortion on demand, a litmus test for the Supreme Court, homosexual rights, discrimination against religious schools, women in combat — that’s change, all right,” said Mr. Buchanan, a conservative commentator who was a rival to President George Bush in the 1992 campaign. “But it is not the kind of change America wants.”

The speech — along with similarly sharp-edged addresses by the evangelist Pat Robertson and Marilyn Quayle, the wife of Vice President Dan Quayle — pushed issues like abortion, gay rights, religion and the role of women in society to the front of the stage, often loudly. Supporters of Mr. Bush pointed to the tone of the convention as one of the reasons he lost the election that November to Bill Clinton. …”

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‘Cultural War’ of 1992 Moves In From the Fringe (Published 2012)

Twenty years after Patrick J. Buchanan spoke at the Republican convention of a “cultural war,” his views are more common than controversial.
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Yes. It was indeed the "October Surprise" - at least according to my favorite, Dr. Heather Cox Richardson
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October 27, 2024

I stand corrected.
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LeoBloom said:
The Dems need to stress how this wasn't some comedian going off script. No, this is the core of who MAGA is. Show highlights from other speakers and their racist crap. Show how they knew who this comedian was and wanted him there.
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VP Harris literally called Trump a Fascist - point blank - on National Television. I'd say that's stressing how this wasn't some comedian going off script. I'm not sure how much more emphatic one can be in terms of "need to stress how..."
 
BlooVooDoo said:
That’s fair. ID is getting Californicated anyway. It’ll be purple in another 10-15 years.
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This is what will ultimately save us if we hold on long enough. It doesn't take too many people moving into these states to turn their Senate votes. Remote work makes that possible. Colorado has gone blue. Wyoming has a population of 600,000. Only 250k of those voted in 2020. Surely we can get a couple hundred thousand people to move to the beautiful state and enjoy the great outdoors and vote for sanity.
 
lawtig02 said:
My impression is that Idaho is collecting all of California's MAGAs and is thus turning even redder, but I may be wrong about that.
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Interesting. I’ve read some articles about ID locals bitching about Californians coming in and being a pain in the ass. Of course part of that might be the fact that they’re relatively loaded and drive up prices of real estate and services and have expectations of competence that are foreign to much of Idaho.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
Interesting. I’ve read some articles about ID locals bitching about Californians coming in and being a pain in the ass. Of course part of that might be the fact that they’re relatively loaded and drive up prices of real estate and services and have expectations of competence that are foreign to much of Idaho.
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My impression is based on very little, so it may be that the state as a whole, and especially areas like Boise, are becoming bluer. I just know large parts of Idaho are basically like a (much more beautiful) Kandahar for right wing extremists, and it would make sense that like-minded Californians would be migrating to those areas.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
Interesting. I’ve read some articles about ID locals bitching about Californians coming in and being a pain in the ass. Of course part of that might be the fact that they’re relatively loaded and drive up prices of real estate and services and have expectations of competence that are foreign to much of Idaho.
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Yeah, the bitching is about the prices and expectations. Just like the Californians moving to Texas - the CA to ID folks largely aren’t libs. ID has a lot of beauty, yet is probably to most racist place in the country, per capita. I don’t see any chance it goes blue within 15 years, that said, it does have a small population so small quantity shifts can have large percentage effects.
 
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Kraftyheel89 said:
nyc, I think you are seriously overestimating the electorate, as well as spineless politicians. CNN interviewed 3 Puerto Ricans living stateside. Two confessed to voting for Trump before. When asked, they said yes, they will vote for him again and do not care. The third was upset, but is a Dem.

AA Trump apologist Byron Donalds blamed the media this morning on CNBC. He said they are pushing a narrative of fear mongering rather than focusing on the facts and substance. This after Trump's so called big final closing argument at MSG, where an African American in the audience was pointed out for a watermelon joke. He won't lose that black guy's vote or many others.

Everyone is saying Trump must apologize or this could be devastating. Hogwash. Give Trump credit, he said before even elected first time, I could go out and shoot someone and not lose a single vote. He was 100% correct. Which is why he has no concerns about not apologizing and he never has anyway.

Unfortunately, a nothingburger with our electorate and cowardly MAGA politicians.
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True enough. Is it “the” October surprise? Maybe not. Should it be? Probably so.
 
What I really wish would happen is for leaders of ALL Hispanic groups in the US to come out and say what the Puerto Rican leaders have. We all know those jokes were made because they were in NY, but in reality, MAGA feels the same about all Hispanics. Some political ads saying the same thing in Florida, PA, Texas, really all of the south would hit hard.
 
Lando said:
Sadly I think the one guy to face real consequences for this is Tony Hinchcliffe.
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He really shouldn't face consequences and I doubt he will It's not his fault the Trump campaign is stupid enough to give him a platform. He's a comedian. Some of today's best humor comes from comedians who push the envelope on sensitive topics like race, sex, etc. Dave Chappelle. Quinn Dale. Drew Thomas. Anthony Jeselnik (so). Matt....whatever his name is. The consequences should be faced by Trump in the form of lost votes for incorporating this guy into a PRESIDENTIAL campaign rally, but this type of thing is baked into the pie, unfortunately.
 
ZenMode said:
He really shouldn't face consequences. It's not his fault the Trump campaign is stupid enough to give him a platform. He's a comedian. Some of today's best humor comes from comedians who push the envelope on topics like race, sex, etc. Dave Chappelle. Quinn Dale. Drew Thomas. Matt....whatever his name is. The consequences should be faced by Trump in the form of lost votes for incorporating this guy into a PRESIDENTIAL campaign rally, but this type of thing is baked into the pie, unfortunately.
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Come on now. He has agency. He can imagine how the time, place and context of his appearances will impact him personally. Yes, the Trump campaign was beyond stupid to include him. But he was also stupid to do that at a political rally. Or if he wasn't stupid, he should have known the type of response it would bring.

And I say this recognizing this could still prove to be a huge boon for his career.
 
ZenMode said:
He really shouldn't face consequences and I doubt he will It's not his fault the Trump campaign is stupid enough to give him a platform. He's a comedian. Some of today's best humor comes from comedians who push the envelope on sensitive topics like race, sex, etc. Dave Chappelle. Quinn Dale. Drew Thomas. Anthony Jeselnik (so). Matt....whatever his name is. The consequences should be faced by Trump in the form of lost votes for incorporating this guy into a PRESIDENTIAL campaign rally, but this type of thing is baked into the pie, unfortunately.
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Explain the joke.
 
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