Is MAGA MSG Rally the October Surprise?

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ZenMode said:
First, presidential rallies, in general , aren't what they used to be. We have comedians, rappers, professional wrestlers, etc, so having a comedian isn't surprising.

Second, he's a comedian. He does what comedians do. I suspect he was also confident that his audience would be receptive to his off-color jokes.

I don't blame Ricky Gervais for his performance at the hoity toity Golden Globes. I blame the Golden Globes for inviting a host who they knew was known for controversial comedy. Ricky was doing what Ricky does, just like this guy. Ultimately, he did nothing wrong to be held accountable for, IMO.
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I don’t really care what happens to Hinchcliffe since I wasn’t a fan anyway. I’ve heard far worse (and far funnier) lines in NYC comedy clubs. In a setting like that, you shouldn't go unless you’re prepared to hear things that would clearly be offensive outside of that context. He knew the reach for this event would be far wider, and he calculated this move. So he’s prepared for whatever is coming and doesn’t care. He’s been doing this for many years.

It’s the trump campaign’s decision to spotlight him on this platform that caused my jaw to drop. Not trump, because he’s incredibly stupid. But his campaign should’ve known the risk.

I called it a wild miscalculation as soon as it happened, even though others dismissed it as not having potential to move the needle. Understanding PA demographics alone was more than enough to know this was going to move the needle. Combined with all the high profile Puerto Rican stars endorsing Harris in the past week, it was clear this would matter.

I’ve thought he was going to lose for months, so I don’t think it ultimately matters. But for anyone looking for a nail in the coffin, this was it.
 
superrific said:
The filibuster is on its last legs. The GOP will kill it the first time it gets in their way. I think we had almost the votes in 2021 to kill it. We lacked only for Manchin and Sinema, both of whom are gone.

If we somehow hold the Senate this time, the filibuster enemy will be Fetterman. I would say Tester and in the assumption that we have the Senate, he probably would have won. But he's been doing this a while and is no spring chicken. Will he even run again in 2030? Anyway, that's an eternity from now. And I just don't think Fetterman wants to be the sand in the gears quite as readily as the fraggle fashionista formerly known as a Senator from Arizona
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The filibuster is loved when it's working for you and hated when it's working against you.

Democrats have everything to lose if they abolish the filibuster​


 
superrific said:
1. I've never seen a comedian do that. Maybe it is something that asshole comedians whose audiences are assholes does, but even there I'm doubtful.
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Oh jeez. That set was pretty tame relative to the club comedy scene in big cities. Shock is a pretty common component and a goal for some comics. For this guy, it’s practically his whole brand. Not everybody is Nate Bargatze.

But if you’re not in the comedy clubs or plugged into the stand-ups podcast world then I guess I can understand it being surprising.
 
Just got in car and CNN just cut away because he is lying so much. Using this to enumerate violent crimes by immigrants and going on an anti-immigrant rant. To address offensive jokes about Americans, apparently.
 
duluoz said:
Oh jeez. That set was pretty tame relative to the club comedy scene in big cities. Shock is a pretty common component and a goal for some comics. For this guy, it’s practically his whole brand. Not everybody is Nate Bargatze.

But if you’re not in the comedy clubs or plugged into the stand-ups podcast world then I guess I can understand it being surprising.
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That’s the whole problem. Tony is well known/regarded in the comedy scene. However this was going to be seen by everyone, with the vast majority of people not knowing who this asshole is, thus the outrage. He deserves everything negative outcome with this being a magat himself.
 
nycfan said:
Just got in car and CNN just cut away because he is lying so much. Using this to enumerate violent crimes by immigrants and going on an anti-immigrant rant. To address offensive jokes about Americans, apparently.
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Fox News is the only network carrying it live it seems. Every other network is just going ahead with regular programming. Sad.
 
duluoz said:
Oh jeez. That set was pretty tame relative to the club comedy scene in big cities. Shock is a pretty common component and a goal for some comics. For this guy, it’s practically his whole brand. Not everybody is Nate Bargatze.

But if you’re not in the comedy clubs or plugged into the stand-ups podcast world then I guess I can understand it being surprising.
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He wasn’t in a comedy club or a standup podcast, so what happens there is irrelevant to this instance. He was on national TV at MSG on the program with a major party Presidential candidate. If he (and the Trump campaign) are too stupid for him to not understand that difference, he deserves whatever is coming his way.
 
LeoBloom said:
I mean inundate the airwaves (and social media, whatever) with ads showing all of this.
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I get it and agree somewhat, but there’s some push back on going with that full-throated:
The political backdrop, however, is the simmering anxiety among Democrats who fear that Harris has chosen the wrong message to close out her campaign with. As Lisa Kashinsky found in southwest Michigan, there’s no shortage of second-guessing of her late focus on fascism. “We can’t keep campaigning on modes of fear,” one former state rep told her.
 
Macksbrownies said:
That’s the whole problem. Tony is well known/regarded in the comedy scene. However this was going to be seen by everyone, with the vast majority of people not knowing who this asshole is, thus the outrage. He deserves everything negative outcome with this being a magat himself.
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And I’m saying not only does he deserve it, since he was fully aware of the reach… but it was calculated by him and he’s prepared for it. Or at least he thinks he is. He’s just leaning into his persona and gambling it’ll pay off.

But whatever negative impact he gets, he has it coming.
 
lawtig02 said:
Trump will continue to double down on the hate, the racism, the lies, the insanity. This is not a prebuttal. It’s a man suffering from dementia trying to make it through a script written by fascists.
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It’s dementia plus I genuinely think he’s trying to create a frothing mass of incels and bubbas, in prep to call for mass violence.
 
HeelingAg said:
It’s dementia plus I genuinely think he’s trying to create a frothing mass of incels and bubbas, in prep to call for mass violence.
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Nah that isn't Trump's plan. He doesn't give a crap beyond his own self-interested of being elected and having everyone call him a big strong popular awesome president. And I genuinely don't think he wants mass violence. It's the freaks like Bannon and Miller that want that stuff, and they may well be able to convince trump that it's needed for some reason.
 
duluoz said:
Oh jeez. That set was pretty tame relative to the club comedy scene in big cities. Shock is a pretty common component and a goal for some comics. For this guy, it’s practically his whole brand. Not everybody is Nate Bargatze.

But if you’re not in the comedy clubs or plugged into the stand-ups podcast world then I guess I can understand it being surprising.
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Well, then, I stand by my assessment that it's "comedy" produced by assholes for other assholes.
 
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