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Is Trump the Antichrist?

TarSpiel said:
I noticed.

What I did was called expressing an alternate opinion.
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While I've got you here, a tangentially related question: if you only had the time and/or patience to read one history of Christianity, would you go with Diarmaid McCulloch's Christianity: the First Three Thousand Years or Peter Brown's The Rise of Western Christendom?

FWIW, I'm more interested in the big ideational shifts than names and dates.
 
OGtruthhurts said:
donald dump is no diff than 99% of the rest of americans....his true god is the greenback god.

i was at lunch yesterday and there was a large table of nurses beside me. all they talked about was how much they were making and the materialistic garbage they were bragging about buying. no mention of going into nursing to help people. no mention of helping their patients.......all about the greenback. thats our true god in america.
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Well to give you some hope, my daughter is a nurse. She choose to go into the field to help people. She choose this direction while watching her little sister struggle through mental health issues. The fact that it pays well wasn't a consideration when she started the journey to get the necessary education, but it is a benefit that it allows her to travel and see the world and understand other cultures.

Our family is like this. Money is necessary, but it doesn't determine who we are. We started out relatively poor, but we are fortunate enough to have increased over the years. We are not rich, but are able to avoid many of the financial challenged of this day. I am thankful everyday for that. I believe having to struggle financially and having people in my life that have helped along the road has instilled a humbleness in regards to money. It does not rule our lives.
 
breepf said:
While I've got you here, a tangentially related question: if you only had the time and/or patience to read one history of Christianity, would you go with Diarmaid McCulloch's Christianity: the First Three Thousand Years or Peter Brown's The Rise of Western Christendom?

FWIW, I'm more interested in the big ideational shifts than names and dates.
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I honestly don't know...I haven't paid much attention to in-depth Christian studies since grad school...since then I've been more interested in larger world religion, anthropology and world history topics. So I don't even know the name Diarmaid McCulloch.

FWIW though I've always loved Peter Brown and thought he was a fantastically interesting and insightful scholar.
 
breepf said:
FWIW, I'm more interested in the big ideational shifts than names and dates.
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One of the two most fascinating books on ideational shifts that I've ever read were Elizabeth Eisenstein (the Printing Revolution in Early Modern Europe), about how literacy impacts technology, but also consciousness itself. Her book is amazing, and belongs to a trajectory of scholarship that includes people like Walter Ong, Albert Lord, Erik Havelock, and probably my favorite anthropologist Jack Goody. Seeing how writing and literacy have impacted world history is really eye-opening.

The other great book I know on big ideational shifts is Michael Pollan's "How to Change Your Mind" which is how the science of psychadelics is changing our understanding of consciousness itself. A must-read IMO.

Anyway, those are my two...if you have any let me know.
 
TarSpiel said:
I honestly don't know...I haven't paid much attention to in-depth Christian studies since grad school...since then I've been more interested in larger world religion, anthropology and world history topics. So I don't even know the name Diarmaid McCulloch.

FWIW though I've always loved Peter Brown and thought he was a fantastically interesting and insightful scholar.
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McCullough is boring as hell but has tons of good info. Not sure about the other one.
 
lawtig02 said:
McCullough is boring as hell but has tons of good info. Not sure about the other one.
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Brown is probably the bigger name, and he's always celebrated as a gifted, insightful stylist. I read his book The World of Late Antiquity, though, and it didn't rock my world.
 
Milk and Cookies said:
I'm not a Revelations kinda guy, but I feel like invading the Holy Land on a mission of conquest is antichrist central casting
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And down in #DeepChatham they’re passing thus around:

“Coming soon!! You guys watching Israel? The Bible says the first time God destroyed the earth by water and he promised to never do that again. (The real meaning of the Rainbow) he went on to say I will destroy it by fire the second time. I won’t even pretend I understand all of the book of Revelation, but I do understand quite plainly that I do wish to spend eternity in Heaven. I have been hearing about the second coming of Christ and the events unfolding since I was a child. The "Mark of the Beast" Artificial Intelligence, microchips, no cash/digital currency, total government dependency/control. When we are raising a family, working long hours, some two jobs, lots of things go unnoticed or just get ignored. No one can comprehend how bad it will be, but we see it happening, bit by bit, on the news everyday. While the devil is preparing people for the Anti Christ, God is preparing people for the Rapture. I don’t know when the rapture will take place but I know that I’m not planning to be left behind when that trumpet sounds! I also believe right now that God is giving us a chance to turn our lives around and live according to His will. We need to get the Gospel message out! Until the good Lord calls me away from this world to go home, I want to make it clear that I believe in Jesus Christ as the one and only true Lord and Savior. Despite the fact that I am human, and I fail a lot, I believe that Jesus is the Son of God.
So if the Holy Spirit moves you and you’re not ashamed, just COPY and PASTE. I DID!”
 
donbosco said:
And down in #DeepChatham they’re passing thus around:

“Coming soon!! You guys watching Israel? The Bible says the first time God destroyed the earth by water and he promised to never do that again. (The real meaning of the Rainbow) he went on to say I will destroy it by fire the second time. I won’t even pretend I understand all of the book of Revelation, but I do understand quite plainly that I do wish to spend eternity in Heaven. I have been hearing about the second coming of Christ and the events unfolding since I was a child. The "Mark of the Beast" Artificial Intelligence, microchips, no cash/digital currency, total government dependency/control. When we are raising a family, working long hours, some two jobs, lots of things go unnoticed or just get ignored. No one can comprehend how bad it will be, but we see it happening, bit by bit, on the news everyday. While the devil is preparing people for the Anti Christ, God is preparing people for the Rapture. I don’t know when the rapture will take place but I know that I’m not planning to be left behind when that trumpet sounds! I also believe right now that God is giving us a chance to turn our lives around and live according to His will. We need to get the Gospel message out! Until the good Lord calls me away from this world to go home, I want to make it clear that I believe in Jesus Christ as the one and only true Lord and Savior. Despite the fact that I am human, and I fail a lot, I believe that Jesus is the Son of God.
So if the Holy Spirit moves you and you’re not ashamed, just COPY and PASTE. I DID!”
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I've also been hearing about The Rapture and End Times since I was a kid - Southern Baptists are nothing if not obsessed with the Book of Revelation and the End of the World as we know it - but I do find it interesting that the same people who worry so much about the Antichrist have fallen hook, line, and sinker for a guy who comes closer to the Antichrist than any American politician I can recall. When I was a kid all I heard about was how many "unbelievers" would be fooled by the Antichrist and would willingly and enthusiastically follow him to their doom, and yet they're now the ones who are doing exactly what they warned others about. If Trump told them to, I seriously wonder how many of them (including their pastors) would gladly put a large photo or painting of him in their churches next to Jesus. They are doing exactly what they said unbelievers would, and they're clueless about it.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
I've also been hearing about The Rapture and End Times since I was a kid - Southern Baptists are nothing if not obsessed with the Book of Revelation and the End of the World as we know it - but I do find it interesting that the same people who worry so much about the Antichrist have fallen hook, line, and sinker for a guy who comes closer to the Antichrist than any American politician I can recall. When I was a kid all I heard about was how many "unbelievers" would be fooled by the Antichrist and would willingly and enthusiastically follow him to their doom, and yet they're now the ones who are doing exactly what they warned others about. If Trump told them to, I seriously wonder how many of them (including their pastors) would gladly put a large photo or painting of him in their churches next to Jesus. They are doing exactly what they said unbelievers would, and they're clueless about it.
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Because if you don't think the rapture would come during your life, then it's harder to control your mindset and actions ...
 
You have to wonder what Christianity would have been like if Peter had stayed the head of the church like Jesus said he expected instead of being usurped by Paul. As it stand, since most Biblical scholars thing the books of Peter were not written by him, Peter effectively disappears in the Bible after Acts and none of his teaching are recognized.

I guess Jesus must have gotten that wrong somehow.
 
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