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Israel reaches cease fire with Hezbollah, fighting shifts to Syria

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RaiGuy said:
So you're saying the clips in the video are somehow staged?

War crimes are part of a genocide.
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No, I'm saying that the clips aren't evidence of a genocide. I can link you to a 40+ minute video of Hamas slaughtering civilians. Does that mean Hamas is guilty of genocide? No....they tried, but were not successful.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
No, I'm saying that the clips aren't evidence of a genocide. I can link you to a 40+ minute video of Hamas slaughtering civilians. Does that mean Hamas is guilty of genocide? No....they tried, but were not successful.
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Since you are an expert of genocide, how many more Palestinians need to be killed before you admit it is a genocide? 100k? 200k?

The genocide on Bosnians that happened 30 years ago had 100k killed over 3 years. Israel's rate is higher than that. Or was that one not a genocide either because the victims were Muslim?
 
RaiGuy said:
Since you are an expert of genocide, how many more Palestinians need to be killed before you admit it is a genocide? 100k? 200k?

The genocide on Bosnians that happened 30 years ago had 100k killed over 3 years. Israel's rate is higher than that. Or was that one not a genocide either because the victims were Muslim?
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A million people were killed in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Were those genocide?
 

RaiGuy said:
No evidence of a genocide?



These are not isolated incidents. These have been happening for 75 years.
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Obviously there are a lot of concerning claims being made. All of which deserve to be investigated further. At the very least, I don't get the destruction of people's homes. That's one thing that context would be difficult to justify. The other claims need to be given time to investigate.

For example, the story behind the image of the young Palestinian kid laying dead by the hospital (?) gate are among the things that we shouldn't accept at face value.
 
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Is super ignore named after his user name? He's the only guy I have on super ignore, despite his penetrating and superior intellect.
 
Paine said:
en.wikipedia.org

South Africa's genocide case against Israel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

I’ll trust the experts over some random posters on the ZZL.
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Trust the math. If there is a genocide occurring, it's the most inept execution in history. IF Israel wanted to commit genocide....and I mean truly wipe everyone out...they could. There's no reason to believe they want to. Instances of terrible war crimes, to whatever degree they exist, aren't genocide.

Gaza-population-735x1024.jpg
www.anera.org

How Big is Gaza? - Anera

Gaza has the same land area as Las Vegas but more than three times the population, with some 2.23 million residents of the small territory.
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Paine said:
Yeah really. Is there anything the mods can do about people registering multiple accounts?
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If you are referring to me, the reason is because someone or something keeps blocking me from using the site. I can’t view the site at all under the ZZLPHeel account anymore. Once I log out, I can view the site just fine. I’ve been assured that I have not been banned so I have no idea what is going on.
 
ZenMode said:
Trust the math. If there is a genocide occurring, it's the most inept execution in history. IF Israel wanted to commit genocide....and I mean truly wipe everyone out...they could. There's no reason to believe they want to. Instances of terrible war crimes, to whatever degree they exist, aren't genocide.

Gaza-population-735x1024.jpg
www.anera.org

How Big is Gaza? - Anera

Gaza has the same land area as Las Vegas but more than three times the population, with some 2.23 million residents of the small territory.
www.anera.org www.anera.org
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Huh? The chart ends at 2023, before the genocide started. What’s the point of it?
 
RaiGuy said:
Huh? The chart ends at 2023, before the genocide started. What’s the point of it?
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The current death toll is 42k with 10k missing. Do those numbers, given that there are 15k per square mile and nearly 2.4 million civilians total, meet the requirement for genocide in your opinion?
 
ZenMode said:
The current death toll is 42k with 10k missing. Do those numbers, given that there are 15k per square mile and nearly 2.4 million civilians total, meet the requirement for genocide in your opinion?
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First, the real number is much higher as many are still missing. Second, what does the number have to reach for it to match your definition of a genocide?

These are what the UN counts in it’s definition (Israel is doing these):

This can include:
  • Killing members of the group
  • Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
  • Deliberately inflicting conditions of life that will lead to the group's physical destruction
    • Imposing measures to prevent births within the group
    • Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
 
RaiGuy said:
First, the real number is much higher as many are still missing. Second, what does the number have to reach for it to match your definition of a genocide?

These are what the UN counts in it’s definition (Israel is doing these):

This can include:
  • Killing members of the group
  • Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
  • Deliberately inflicting conditions of life that will lead to the group's physical destruction
    • Imposing measures to prevent births within the group
    • Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
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We don't know the exact numbers and won't for a long time, most likely.

Do you believe the current data reflects an attempt at genocide by Israel?
 
ZenMode said:
We don't know the exact numbers and won't for a long time, most likely.

Do you believe the current data reflects an attempt at genocide by Israel?
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100%
Especially when you add in the genocidal rhetoric by Netanyahu and his cronies. They aren’t hiding it. Palestinians in northern Gaza were just cleared out and as they exited, the soldiers told them that would be the last time they would step foot there.

It’s clear from the start that Netanyahu plans to clear out Gaza to build more settlements and to gain access to the natural gas that is below it. It was clear as day.
 
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