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Israel reaches cease fire with Hezbollah, fighting shifts to Syria

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ZenMode said:
I don't know exact numbers, but do you think it's a coincidence that there are very few, if any, Jews in the Muslim countries I mentioned, despite the fact that Jews were in that region 2,000 years ago and that it's only Jews who have to justify their existence in their own country?
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They lived there unmolested until 1948, when they all moved to Israel. This isn't a mystery.

Muslims did not persecute Jews, nor did they kick them out.

European Christians, on the other hand, evicted them constantly, and eventually tried to commit genocide against them. Which is why they got a guilty conscience and stole land from innocent Palestinians to compensate for their own abysmal moral failings.

Here's a map that understates the case, by a lot, but is still hellpful"

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Numbers I'm seeing is that about 900,000 left after 1948. Some were forced out and some left on their own. A little over 70% ended up in Israel. Like I said, there wasn't a problem between Jews and Muslims as much as between Israel and Muslims.
 
ZenMode said:
I don't know exact numbers, but do you think it's a coincidence that there are very few, if any, Jews in the Muslim countries I mentioned, despite the fact that Jews were in that region 2,000 years ago and that it's only Jews who have to justify their existence in their own country?

Is anyone, especially at the UN, concerned about Jews "right of return" to the countries I mentioned?
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There are also very few Magyars in the Ural Mountain areas, even though they were in that region 1000 years ago. Funny how things can change over two millenia.

There's no such thing as a 2,000 year old claim to land. That's just stupidity. The Romans were also there in Palestine 2000 years ago. Why doesn't Italy claim the land for its people?
 
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how long Jews were actually the dominant power in Israel and not a vassal or captive nation?
 
superrific said:
There are also very few Magyars in the Ural Mountain areas, even though they were in that region 1000 years ago. Funny how things can change over two millenia.

There's no such thing as a 2,000 year old claim to land. That's just stupidity. The Romans were also there in Palestine 2000 years ago. Why doesn't Italy claim the land for its people?
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Again, given the number of established Muslim countries, why is nobody calling for a right of return for Jews to that country and why are Jews constantly having to justify the existence of a country dedicated to them? Pakistan came into existence in the same year as Israel. Why is nobody questioning their existence?
 
ZenMode said:
Pakistan came into existence in the same year as Israel. Why is nobody questioning their existence?
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You can't possibly be this stupid. What about South Sudan? It came into existence this century. Why is nobody questioning it?

I don't know if Jews would have a right to return to Yemen. There's no demand, is there?
 
ZenMode said:
Again, given the number of established Muslim countries, why is nobody calling for a right of return for Jews to that country and why are Jews constantly having to justify the existence of a country dedicated to them? Pakistan came into existence in the same year as Israel. Why is nobody questioning their existence?
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Those have all been addressed. If you don't understand, then ask specifically about what you missed. If that is how you take in information, then you wouldn't be aware of someone questioning their existence.
 
superrific said:
You can't possibly be this stupid. What about South Sudan? It came into existence this century. Why is nobody questioning it?

I don't know if Jews would have a right to return to Yemen. There's no demand, is there?
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"You can't possibly be this stupid."

When you want to not be a prick, let me know and I'll be happy to debate/discuss topics.

You're condescending responses and childish insults might work for some people, but I'm not one of them.
 
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ZenMode said:
"You can't possibly be this stupid."

When you want to not be a prick, let me know and I'll be happy to debate/discuss topics.

You're condescending responses and childish insults might work for some people, but I'm not one of them.
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You were comparing Pakistan to Israel. Why? Because they are about the same age as countries? There is nothing in common there. I'm not going to apologize for observing the objective stupidity of this point. Let's see if anyone defends you on this one. Pakistan is much more like Palestine than Israel.
 
Bad people killing bad people. The world is full of bad people. When you live in a country like the US, the way you must rationalize all this is by supporting the bad guys that won’t do harm to you and are killing bad folks that do want to do you harm. It’s really that simple. Israel is effective at killing a lot of terrorist leaders that would love nothing more than to kill Americans. Therefore, they should continue.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Bad people killing bad people. The world is full of bad people. When you live in a country like the US, the way you must rationalize all this is by supporting the bad guys that won’t do harm to you and are killing bad folks that do want to do you harm. It’s really that simple. Israel is effective at killing a lot of terrorist leaders that would love nothing more than to kill Americans. Therefore, they should continue.
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40,000+ killed in Gaza (half children) are bad people and deserve it?
What makes you think they want to kill Americans? You think that are barbarians and they wake up in the morning and randomly decide they want to kill Americans?
Also, only one of these sides has been caught spying on the US and has attacked a US naval ship (USS Liberty)….spoiler alert, it wasn’t Palestinians.
 
ZenMode said:
Why does Hamas need to win a PR war? Why is PR even a factor?
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Ah there it is. So that doctor is Hamas like everyone else that was killed? His son was Hamas too?
Just more regurgitation of Israeli propaganda that dehumanizes Palestinians.
 
finesse said:
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how long Jews were actually the dominant power in Israel and not a vassal or captive nation?
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A couple hundred years. David united Israel in about 1000 BC. They split into 2 about 100 years later. Then lost the north to the Assyrians in 722, and the south to the Babylonians in 586. They were a subject state forever after, until the Romans kicked them all out permanently in the 130s AD.
 
That's about what I was thinking. I knew there were people who knew something I was too lazy to properly research. Thanks.

It's kinda funny in a way. If the Exodus story is true and they conquered the land, then the way they held on to it gives them a pretty dubious claim on the land they're on. Otoh, if that story isn't true and they originated there as a lot of scientists think from archeological evidence, then it is their ancestral home. Still not much of a claim, though.
 
RaiGuy said:
40,000+ killed in Gaza (half children) are bad people and deserve it?
What makes you think they want to kill Americans? You think that are barbarians and they wake up in the morning and randomly decide they want to kill Americans?
Also, only one of these sides has been caught spying on the US and has attacked a US naval ship (USS Liberty)….spoiler alert, it wasn’t Palestinians.
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No, of course they aren’t but the leaders they elected would absolutely love to kill Americans. In a perfect world, no one kills anyone. That’s not the way the world works. People want to kill people. I live in America. I have to choose a side in this global conflict. Israel is a democracy and has no interest in harming America. Hamas is a horrible regime that rules over Palestine. They would love to kill Americans. I am for no wars. But again, that’s not realistic. Israel has systematically killed so many leaders that hate America. I don’t have a choice of saying both of you act nice. They arent going to. With that as a backdrop, I support Israel.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
No, of course they aren’t but the leaders they elected would absolutely love to kill Americans. In a perfect world, no one kills anyone. That’s not the way the world works. People want to kill people. I live in America. I have to choose a side in this global conflict. Israel is a democracy and has no interest in harming America. Hamas is a horrible regime that rules over Palestine. They would love to kill Americans. I am for no wars. But again, that’s not realistic. Israel has systematically killed so many leaders that hate America. I don’t have a choice of saying both of you act nice. They arent going to. With that as a backdrop, I support Israel.
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Why do you think they hate America? Do you think that America bombing them might have something to do with it?

And what makes Israel a democracy? It’s only a democracy for European Jewish citizens. The rest are treated as second class citizens.
Also, Israel only uses the US. What do we get out of this “alliance”? And what other allies have one that has spied on the other multiple times?
We’re at a point where US politicians put Israel first before American citizens. Imagine if all that money sent to Israel was given to hurricane victims. And why does the US have to interfere?
 
RaiGuy said:
Why do you think they hate America? Do you think that America bombing them might have something to do with it?

And what makes Israel a democracy? It’s only a democracy for European Jewish citizens. The rest are treated as second class citizens.
Also, Israel only uses the US. What do we get out of this “alliance”? And what other allies have one that has spied on the other multiple times?
We’re at a point where US politicians put Israel first before American citizens. Imagine if all that money sent to Israel was given to hurricane victims. And why does the US have to interfere?
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The US budget doesn’t work in a way where if we spent less money on Israel than it would mean more for the hurricane victims. There’s always enough money.
They hate America because they see the wealth and what they view as excess. They also have a lot of religious zealots that think they have been called by God to kill us.
 
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