Israel reaches cease fire with Hezbollah, fighting shifts to Syria

[RaiGuy]

The US budget doesn’t work in a way where if we spent less money on Israel than it would mean more for the hurricane victims. There’s always enough money.
They hate America because they see the wealth and what they view as excess. They also have a lot of religious zealots that think they have been called by God to kill us.

That’s not the reason they hate America. If it was because they hated excess wealth, then Saudi Arabia would be their biggest enemy. However, the reason they hate the American government is because of our tendency to stick our nose in regions where it doesn’t belong and align ourself with Israel unconditionally.

However, Israel wants to scare people by saying we need your support because these terrorists will target you next. It’s simply not true. They are acting out because they are under an occupation and treated like animals. Any people living in conditions like that will eventually act out.

 

[TarSpiel]

They also have a lot of religious zealots that think they have been called by God to kill us.

Define "a lot"

 

[ZenMode]

Ah there it is. So that doctor is Hamas like everyone else that was killed? His son was Hamas too?
Just more regurgitation of Israeli propaganda that dehumanizes Palestinians.

I guess I don't know who besides Hamas would need the benefit of PR. Palestinian citizens certainly don't. The world is behind them and horrified by the pictures and videos coming out of the area.

Who's perception do you believe the pictures and videos are meant to improve, of not Hamas?

 

[ZenMode]

You were comparing Pakistan to Israel. Why? Because they are about the same age as countries? There is nothing in common there. I'm not going to apologize for observing the objective stupidity of this point. Let's see if anyone defends you on this one. Pakistan is much more like Palestine than Israel.

In 1945, when the UN was officially formed, there were less than 100 recognized sovereign states in the world. There are over 200 now. The Muslims in India began pushing for a homeland in 1940 and it was granted in 1947 - same year as Israel. Does Pakistan have to defend its existence? Have any of the over 100 additional sovereign states had to justify their existence? The answer is obviously no. Nobody says a word about any of them, yet it's Israel, who is surrounded by people who's publicly stated goal is wipe them off the Earth, who has to continually defend its right to exist and defend its right to defend itself.

 

[finesse]

How many countries were there before the colonial powers rewrote the boundaries for their convenience?

 

[ZZLPHeels]

No, of course they aren’t but the leaders they elected would absolutely love to kill Americans. In a perfect world, no one kills anyone. That’s not the way the world works. People want to kill people. I live in America. I have to choose a side in this global conflict. Israel is a democracy and has no interest in harming America. Hamas is a horrible regime that rules over Palestine. They would love to kill Americans. I am for no wars. But again, that’s not realistic. Israel has systematically killed so many leaders that hate America. I don’t have a choice of saying both of you act nice. They arent going to. With that as a backdrop, I support Israel.

Yup. You hit the nail on the head here. Israel is killing people that want to kill us. Israel is taking out our enemies for us. Israel doesn't want to create a caliphate across the entire world. Supporting Israel, even with its flaws, is the no-brainer here. Hell, we supported Stalin before and all the way through World War II.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

That’s not the reason they hate America. If it was because they hated excess wealth, then Saudi Arabia would be their biggest enemy. However, the reason they hate the American government is because of our tendency to stick our nose in regions where it doesn’t belong and align ourself with Israel unconditionally.

However, Israel wants to scare people by saying we need your support because these terrorists will target you next. It’s simply not true. They are acting out because they are under an occupation and treated like animals. Any people living in conditions like that will eventually act out.

Does that explain the bombings and attacks in London, Paris, Madrid, Brussels, Manchester, and Nice?

 

[finesse]

They, like the Christian Nationalists and the Zionists hate secularism because secularism calls out their ignorance, fanaticism and mysticism. Instead of making them chosen people, secularism insists that they are lost and benighted.

 

[HintonJamesHeel]

That’s not the reason they hate America. If it was because they hated excess wealth, then Saudi Arabia would be their biggest enemy. However, the reason they hate the American government is because of our tendency to stick our nose in regions where it doesn’t belong and align ourself with Israel unconditionally.

However, Israel wants to scare people by saying we need your support because these terrorists will target you next. It’s simply not true. They are acting out because they are under an occupation and treated like animals. Any people living in conditions like that will eventually act out.

Either way, I don’t trust the terror groups so them dying is fine by me.

 

[RaiGuy]

Does that explain the bombings and attacks in London, Paris, Madrid, Brussels, Manchester, and Nice?

Tell me your Islamophobic without saying you’re Islamophobic.

None of those were committed by the groups we are talking about. You’re just lumping them in because they are Muslim.

 

[RaiGuy]

Either way, I don’t trust the terror groups so them dying is fine by me.

But you trust the army that has killed more civilians this past year than both those groups combined.
But that doesn’t matter to you because the victims were Palestinian and Lebanese.

 

[HintonJamesHeel]

But you trust the army that has killed more civilians this past year than both those groups combined.
But that doesn’t matter to you because the victims were Palestinian and Lebanese.

Not true. As I stated, I’m for no war. I wish no conflict would exist. That’s not a world that’s possible. With the real world as a backdrop, I can only support Hamas/Iran or Israel. I choose Israel.

 

[finesse]

Not true. As I stated, I’m for no war. I wish no conflict would exist. That’s not a world that’s possible. With the real world as a backdrop, I can only support Hamas/Iran or Israel. I choose Israel.

What is wrong with neutrality or actually "A plague on both your houses"? I don't care to be perceived as supporting either of the assholes. Israel had a great deal of justification at first but with Bibi in charge have become the moral equivalent of Russia, imo. Along with that, they have both actively and passively used the US to our detriment. I don't feel like we owe them another thing.

 

[HintonJamesHeel]

What is wrong with neutrality or actually "A plague on both your houses"? I don't care to be perceived as supporting either of the assholes. Israel had a great deal of justification at first but with Bibi in charge have become the moral equivalent of Russia, imo. Along with that, they have both actively and passively used the US to our detriment. I don't feel like we owe them another thing.

I have a pretty negative view of humans and thus that wraps my world view.

In the Ukraine-Russia conflict, I’m always for pouring money into helping Ukraine because there’s no US troop involvement and the money aspect is pretty much made up. We have learned over decades but especially over the last 10, that money is just kind of whatever. The way I view the fight is Russia hates us and is a huge pain but we can’t go to war with them obviously so this is us fighting them by only providing money, which again is a made up thing.

Israel-Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran is slightly different but not really. Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran (wow, what a group) are people I think want to harm the US and overall are awful people. If we stay out of troops and only provide money, it’s in our national interest to let Israel have at it. The loss of civilians isn’t lost on me and it saddens me quite a bit but again, humans are overall an awful lot. We have to choose bad guys over other bad guys and let’s not kid ourselves - America is also a bad guy. I’m defining bad guy as will do whatever to protect their own self interest.

 

[wmheel1287]

Well, the right-wing Israelis anyway.

Lets not forget that there are lots of Jews in Israel who support Palestinian rights, and who despise their current apartheid government.

You are 100% correct about that....but that is "The Israelis" for right now much as the bullshittery during GW Bush was "The Americans".

The best thing non right wing Israelis could do is a little in house ethnic cleansing of their own...either democratically or otherwise. They as a population are going to long suffer for their own domestic inaction in my opinion.

 

[finesse]

There's not a damned thing I can think of in the last 50 years that Israel has done for the US, except incidentally. They have used us as cover to kill their enemies, not ours. They've attacked our military and sold our secrets. The two worst allies we've had as a nation are them and Saudi Arabia. You're drinking the Flavor Aid if you believe differently.

 

[ZenMode]

Does that explain the bombings and attacks in London, Paris, Madrid, Brussels, Manchester, and Nice?

What @RaiGuy is forgetting is that it's probably actually Muslims who are the biggest victims of Muslim theological violence and Jihadism.

Jihadists always find a reason.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

Tell me your Islamophobic without saying you’re Islamophobic.

None of those were committed by the groups we are talking about. You’re just lumping them in because they are Muslim.

Hamas and Hezbollah are Islamic terrorist groups. Both have the blood of Americans on their hands. Israel is taking out our enemies for us just like Ukraine is.

 

[ZenMode]

Ah there it is. So that doctor is Hamas like everyone else that was killed? His son was Hamas too?
Just more regurgitation of Israeli propaganda that dehumanizes Palestinians.

I guess I don't know who besides Hamas would need the benefit of PR. Palestinian citizens certainly don't. The world is behind them and horrified by the pictures and videos coming out of the area.

Who's perception do you believe the pictures and videos are meant to improve, of not Hamas?

Right, I couldn't think of one either.

 

[TarSpiel]

What @RaiGuy is forgetting is that it's probably actually Muslims who are the biggest victims of Muslim theological violence

You obviously don't know any Muslims.

Mainstream, normal Muslims *never* lose sight of that fact. It's basically a trope that westerners always think they're the only ones affected by the radicals.