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superrific said:
A lesson here is to avoid categorical statements, because categorical statements are usually wrong and then it's just catnip to folks like Zen.

It's not plausible that nobody from the IDF has been punished. They will always have scapegoats, at a minimum. The better question would be something like, "can you show me any evidence that the IDF has made a meaningful effort to combat this behavior"? Phrased this way, the example provided actually supports the point for the reason you state: no organization that takes the allegation of torture seriously would impose a 7 month sentence for it. Under federal American law, torture gets you 20 years. 7 months? That's not a serious effort. That's just window dressing, and not even good window dressing.
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"Under federal American law, torture gets you 20 years"

You should look up the Abu Ghraib (sp?) guards' sentences. I think the max was 3 years for those who agreed to a plea deal, as this Israeli soldier did. I believe most were less than a year.
 
ZenMode said:
"Under federal American law, torture gets you 20 years"

You should look up the Abu Ghraib (sp?) guards' sentences. I think the max was 3 years for those who agreed to a plea deal, as this Israeli soldier did. I believe most were less than a year.
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1. One of them received 10 years.
2. Do you think Abu Ghraib was a model to be followed?
 
superrific said:
1. One of them received 10 years.
2. Do you think Abu Ghraib was a model to be followed?
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Right, the one who went to trial got 10 years.

I don't think anything about Abu Ghraib other than the sentences, for those who got a plea deal, were absolutely in line with the IDF soldier's deal.
 
ZenMode said:
Right, the one who went to trial got 10 years.

I don't think anything about Abu Ghraib other than the sentences, for those who got a plea deal, were absolutely in line with the IDF soldier's deal.
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That's because they didn't offer a plea deal to the ring leader. Which is what any organization should do.

Anyway, the situations were not the same. The cases against the soldiers were complicated by the existence of that torture memo saying that torture was OK as long as they didn't cause "severe mental or physical distress." This IDF guy was beating prisoners with a rifle while they were bound and blindfolded. There is no dispute about whether that is allowed. That is obvious mistreatment in breach of international law and it's not a close case.

AND, Abu Ghraib was not a model to follow. The clean-up was less of a whitewash than My Lai, but IIRC it was generally viewed unfavorably.
 

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Israeli strike destroys al-Ahli Baptist hospital, Gaza's last facility in the north​

The Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital is out of action after Israeli warplanes destroyed one of its buildings in the early hours of Sunday morning.


“… Since October 2023, Israel has systematically destroyed Gaza’s health infrastructure, wiping out 34 hospitals and leaving vast areas of the strip without access to emergency care.

The United Nations has warned of what it calls the "de-development" of Gaza’s healthcare system, a process it says appears deliberate. …”
 
nycfan said:

Bluesky

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Israeli strike destroys al-Ahli Baptist hospital, Gaza's last facility in the north​

The Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital is out of action after Israeli warplanes destroyed one of its buildings in the early hours of Sunday morning.


“… Since October 2023, Israel has systematically destroyed Gaza’s health infrastructure, wiping out 34 hospitals and leaving vast areas of the strip without access to emergency care.

The United Nations has warned of what it calls the "de-development" of Gaza’s healthcare system, a process it says appears deliberate. …”
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Nothing to see here. All the hospitals were collateral damage because, you know, Hamas. Or wait, maybe it wasn’t Israel that did it? It was just random bombs from the sky. (Am I doing it right?)
 
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