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ZenMode
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"The IDF has updated their statement to say they are investigating the incident and initial statements."
Investigating and punishing is what they should do.
When's the last time Hamas investigated its members?
That's right......never. You'd have to have expectations for behavior in order to justify an investigation.
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Israeli military changes account of Gaza paramedics’ killing after video of attack
Phone footage contradicts IDF claims vehicles were not using emergency lights when troops opened fire
The military said initially it opened fire because the vehicles were “advancing suspiciously” on nearby troops without headlights or emergency signals. An Israeli military official, speaking on condition of anonymity in line with regulations late on Saturday, said that account was “mistaken”.
The almost seven-minute video, which the Palestine Red Crescent Society (PRCS) said on Saturday was recovered from the phone of Rifat Radwan, one of the men killed, appears to have been filmed from inside a moving vehicle. It shows a red fire engine and clearly marked ambulances driving at night, using headlights and flashing emergency lights.
The vehicle stops beside another that has driven off the road. Two men get out to examine the stopped vehicle, then gunfire erupts before the screen goes black.
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Israeli Strikes On Gaza Kill 32, Mostly Women And Children
Israeli Strikes On Gaza Kill 32, Mostly Women And Children
Israeli strikes on the Gaza Strip killed at least 32 people, including over a dozen women and children, local health officials said Sunday.
RaiGuy
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lol, you’re so gullible. Name one time they have actually punished a soldier. Also, no one has suggested Hamas is any better. You still don’t get that.
ZenMode
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Two months ago.
Israeli soldier sentenced to 7 months in jail for abusing Palestinian detainees
Israeli soldier sentenced to 7 months in jail for abusing Palestinian detainees
The Israeli military said the reservist admitted to having “severely abused” Palestinian detainees at the Sde Teiman military detention center near the border with the Gaza Strip.
www.nbcnews.com
Of course, the chances of your sources reporting that are about the same as Fox News reporting the completely reasonable sentences give to J6 rioters.
By the way, it took me less than 10 seconds to find that. I searched 'IDF soldier convicted ' and it was the first result.
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RaiGuy
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yeah, ONE unidentified soldier supposedly got 7 months for torturing Palestinians. Wow, let's give them a standing ovation. Also, weirdly, there is no mention from you about the Israeli's that were protesting against the soldiers getting punished for torturing Palestinians. However, if the roles were reversed, you would be blasting it everywhere.Two months ago.
Israeli soldier sentenced to 7 months in jail for abusing Palestinian detainees
Israeli soldier sentenced to 7 months in jail for abusing Palestinian detainees
The Israeli military said the reservist admitted to having “severely abused” Palestinian detainees at the Sde Teiman military detention center near the border with the Gaza Strip.
Of course, the chances of your sources reporting that are about the same as Fox News reporting the completely reasonable sentences give to J6 rioters.
By the way, it took me less than 10 seconds to find that. I searched 'IDF soldier convicted ' and it was the first result.
How about this article? However, I know you will dismiss it since it was published in 2022 because you only believe the shit started in October 2023.
The odds of a violent Israeli soldier facing charges? Under 1 percent
New data shows how the Israeli army's complaints mechanism serves as a facade of accountability when it comes to soldiers who harm Palestinians.
www.972mag.com
ZenMode
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Your claim was that it had been a very long time, if ever, that a soldier was punished for bad behavior. That clearly isn't the case.
Obviously, I can't help what Israeli's protest, nor does the opinion of civilians matter.
Speculative.
How about this article? However, I know you will dismiss it since it was published in 2022 because you only believe the shit started in October 2023.
The odds of a violent Israeli soldier facing charges? Under 1 percent
New data shows how the Israeli army's complaints mechanism serves as a facade of accountability when it comes to soldiers who harm Palestinians.
Without going through the claims, case by case, there really isn't much to comment on. As I mentioned earlier, your sources portray things in particular way and it's clearly biased. I'm absolutely sure that there have been war crimes committed that were unpunished or under punished. That is sure to be true in every war that has ever been fought.
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RaiGuy
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There is too much hypocrisy in your post for me to even try to debate it.
It is clear that Israel does bad stuff because they don’t GAF and because they can get away with it.
There are no “good guys” here. Just various shades of bad. Israel is more aligned with our values and interests than Hamas so they have the benefit of having our support.
There are no “good guys” here. Just various shades of bad. Israel is more aligned with our values and interests than Hamas so they have the benefit of having our support.
superrific
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A lesson here is to avoid categorical statements, because categorical statements are usually wrong and then it's just catnip to folks like Zen.
It's not plausible that nobody from the IDF has been punished. They will always have scapegoats, at a minimum. The better question would be something like, "can you show me any evidence that the IDF has made a meaningful effort to combat this behavior"? Phrased this way, the example provided actually supports the point for the reason you state: no organization that takes the allegation of torture seriously would impose a 7 month sentence for it. Under federal American law, torture gets you 20 years. 7 months? That's not a serious effort. That's just window dressing, and not even good window dressing.
ZenMode
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"Under federal American law, torture gets you 20 years"
You should look up the Abu Ghraib (sp?) guards' sentences. I think the max was 3 years for those who agreed to a plea deal, as this Israeli soldier did. I believe most were less than a year.
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1. One of them received 10 years.
2. Do you think Abu Ghraib was a model to be followed?
ZenMode
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Right, the one who went to trial got 10 years.
I don't think anything about Abu Ghraib other than the sentences, for those who got a plea deal, were absolutely in line with the IDF soldier's deal.
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That's because they didn't offer a plea deal to the ring leader. Which is what any organization should do.
Anyway, the situations were not the same. The cases against the soldiers were complicated by the existence of that torture memo saying that torture was OK as long as they didn't cause "severe mental or physical distress." This IDF guy was beating prisoners with a rifle while they were bound and blindfolded. There is no dispute about whether that is allowed. That is obvious mistreatment in breach of international law and it's not a close case.
AND, Abu Ghraib was not a model to follow. The clean-up was less of a whitewash than My Lai, but IIRC it was generally viewed unfavorably.
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Just stop there, and it would've been the most truthful statement you've made on this board.
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Israel military razed Gaza perimeter land to create ‘kill zone’, soldiers say
Combatants’ testimonies describe how areas were destroyed to create ‘a death zone of enormous proportions’
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Israeli strike destroys al-Ahli Baptist hospital, Gaza's last facility in the north
The Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital is out of action after Israeli warplanes destroyed one of its buildings in the early hours of Sunday morning.“… Since October 2023, Israel has systematically destroyed Gaza’s health infrastructure, wiping out 34 hospitals and leaving vast areas of the strip without access to emergency care.
The United Nations has warned of what it calls the "de-development" of Gaza’s healthcare system, a process it says appears deliberate. …”