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ZenMode said:
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What's wrong with putting bullets or anything else in an aid bag (or any other type of bag) after it's contents have been removed and presumably consumed as intended? I mean it's not like anybody is going to be fooled into not checking a bag just b/c it's an aid bag...
 
ZenMode said:
"All" of the medical facilities have not been destroyed. The most recent one, that I'm aware of, was in April and part of the hospital was damaged. Of course, nobody cares that Hamas is using hospitals to hide in. Nor does anyone care much that IDF called ahead and told everyone to evacuate before the bombing, so that nobody was killed, besides Hamas, as a result of the bombing.

What is IDF supposed to do if they can't go after Hamas where they hide, while trying their best to limit civilian causalities? Would that not allow Hamas to operate with impunity indefinitely? They can go into Israel, murder all the civilians they want and then run back to the hospitals and churches and schools to hide, right?
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lmao.

Israel and The IDF: Kinda, Sorta, Maybe A Little Bit Better than Bloodthirsty Psycho Terrorist Groups

what a ringing endorsement!

for the 842831954th time, no one here is defending hamas or thinks that they are worth a shit. that you keep comparing Israel favorably to them like its some sort of notable achievement is laughable.
 
Zoo_View said:
Plenty of war correspondents and international journalists would willingly report from Gaza if the Israeli government let them.
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Al Jazeera wold like to report from Judea and Samaria, but the PA banned them.

www.bbc.com

Palestinian Authority suspends Al Jazeera TV channel in West Bank

The Foreign Press Association has said the move "raises serious questions about press freedom".
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

www.aljazeera.com

Palestinian Authority shuts down several Al Jazeera digital platforms

The decision came after the PA closed Al Jazeera’s office in the occupied West Bank last week.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com
 
Batt Boy said:
Al Jazeera wold like to report from Judea and Samaria, but the PA banned them.

www.bbc.com

Palestinian Authority suspends Al Jazeera TV channel in West Bank

The Foreign Press Association has said the move "raises serious questions about press freedom".
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

www.aljazeera.com

Palestinian Authority shuts down several Al Jazeera digital platforms

The decision came after the PA closed Al Jazeera’s office in the occupied West Bank last week.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com
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Reading those links, it seems that both the Israelis and the Palestinian Authority oppose Al-Jazeera (and other journalists) from freely and openly reporting on the West Bank and Gaza.

Of course, does the Palestinian Authority take a dump without first getting Israel’s permission?
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Those aren’t the investigators that Rai was referring to, I’m presuming.
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Any outside observer, whether press or investigators, is better than nothing. Israel wants to hide their war crimes. They want to control the narrative and play the victim. Or just the Hamas defense where anything they bomb is justified because, you know , Hamas.
 
4thgenheel said:
lmao.

Israel and The IDF: Kinda, Sorta, Maybe A Little Bit Better than Bloodthirsty Psycho Terrorist Groups

what a ringing endorsement!

for the 842831954th time, no one here is defending hamas or thinks that they are worth a shit. that you keep comparing Israel favorably to them like its some sort of notable achievement is laughable.
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The difference between Hamas/Jihadists and Israel is the difference between good and evil, not just "kinda, sorta" different.
 
ZenMode said:
The difference between Hamas/Jihadists and Israel is the difference between good and evil, not just "kinda, sorta" different.
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In what aspect? The occupier is now the good guy? And before you say anything, I am not implying Hamas is the good guy. The only good people are the civilians caught in the crossfire.
 
RaiGuy said:
Any outside observer, whether press or investigators, is better than nothing. Israel wants to hide their war crimes. They want to control the narrative and play the victim. Or just the Hamas defense where anything they bomb is justified because, you know , Hamas.
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That's possible. It is also possible that they don't want a bunch of foreigners running around a warzone where they are liable to get killed which would be a) bad for the foreigners and b) horrible PR for Israel.
 
RaiGuy said:
Any outside observer, whether press or investigators, is better than nothing. Israel wants to hide their war crimes. They want to control the narrative and play the victim. Or just the Hamas defense where anything they bomb is justified because, you know , Hamas.
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I’m not sure Israel has any fucks left to give. They’re going to attempt to displace the entire Gaza population, and take over the entire strip. Who will stop them?
 
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RaiGuy said:
In what aspect?
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In the moral aspect.
RaiGuy said:
The occupier is now the good guy? And before you say anything, I am not implying Hamas is the good guy. The only good people are the civilians caught in the crossfire.
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What do you mean by occupier? Do you mean that Jews are living in a part of the world where they have had a continuous presence for thousands of years? Does the fact that some Muslims don't agree with the existence of Israel justify Jihadism? Why don't we see Native American suicide bombers? Or Christians in Pakistan going on murderous rampages?

After Israel was established in 1948, Jews were driven out of majority Muslim countries across the region. Is anyone talking about their "right of return"?

EDIT: as of 2023, it was reported that about 2 million Palestinians lived in Israel. I don't know if it's still happening, but there were, at one point, people who traveled from Gaza into Israel to work. In other words, Israel isn't kicking out Arabs or disallowing them from entering Israel. The only reason Gaza/Israel can't be like US/Canada or US/Mexico or an EU type of situation is Hamas/Jihadists/Muslim extremists.
 
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Is this middle east conflict still a thing ?

I haven't seen much or any reporting about it so I assumed that true to his word, Trump resolved the conflict on day one and moved on to ending the war in Ukraine.
 
heelinhell said:
Is this middle east conflict still a thing ?

I haven't seen much or any reporting about it so I assumed that true to his word, Trump resolved the conflict on day one and moved on to ending the war in Ukraine.
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That's certainly what you would think if you relied on Fox News.
 
ZenMode said:
In the moral aspect.

What do you mean by occupier? Do you mean that Jews are living in a part of the world where they have had a continuous presence for thousands of years? Does the fact that some Muslims don't agree with the existence of Israel justify Jihadism? Why don't we see Native American suicide bombers? Or Christians in Pakistan going on murderous rampages?

After Israel was established in 1948, Jews were driven out of majority Muslim countries across the region. Is anyone talking about their "right of return"?

EDIT: as of 2023, it was reported that about 2 million Palestinians lived in Israel. I don't know if it's still happening, but there were, at one point, people who traveled from Gaza into Israel to work. In other words, Israel isn't kicking out Arabs or disallowing them from entering Israel. The only reason Gaza/Israel can't be like US/Canada or US/Mexico or an EU type of situation is Hamas/Jihadists/Muslim extremists.
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Where do you get your information from? I don't mean that as a jerk, but genuinely curious. You ignore important parts of history.

Israel is an occupying state. That is a fact.

Your questions show that you are completely ignoring the Palestinian side. Do you think the attacks on Israel are caused because the people don't like Jews? Do you honestly think that? Or do you think it because Israel treats them like animals? Palestinians don't have the same rights as Israelis, even the ones living in Israel. You mention that there are Palestinians that travel from Gaza to Israel to work, but don't mention that Israel can decide to close the border one day and they aren't able to work. You don't mention how Israel humiliates them at checkpoints. You don't mention all the checkpoints that Israel has within the West Bank. What should be a 15 minute commute can take 4-5 hours. My friend's father is a respected professor at a university in the West Bank. He has to go through checkpoints to get to work. One day, the soldiers decide to mess with him and tell him that they won't let him pass unless he gets on his knees and barks like a dog. Another instance at a checkpoint is there was a pregnant woman and she was going into labor. Her family was trying to get her to the hospital, but of course, they had to go through a checkpoint. They refused to let her through. She died from complications. There are countless other stories like this. People with medical emergencies that are denied crossing through a checkpoint. These stories all happened in the West Bank way before October 7th.

Palestinians in Gaza have it even worse and were trapped in an open air prison. If they were fortunate to be allowed to leave, there was no guarantee that they could return. When you strip a population of their dignity and they have no future to look forward to, and then compound that with killing their families, you will breed extremists. It's not like Israel was minding it's business and were randomly attacked.

The only reason Gaza/West Bank/Israel can't be like US/Canada is because Israel is a racist, apartheid state. How it claim to be a democracy, when you have to be a white Jewish person to get full rights. Arab Jews are also treated like second class citizens.

I can understand how you come to your conclusions if you don't know the Palestinian side. It is difficult to see that view in the western world and it is rarely mentioned. However, if you researched the situation, you would understand what the cause is. It's not because Palestinians hate Jews. That's just how Israel frames it to garner sympathy.
 
heelinhell said:
Is this middle east conflict still a thing ?

I haven't seen much or any reporting about it so I assumed that true to his word, Trump resolved the conflict on day one and moved on to ending the war in Ukraine.
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After building the beautiful wall and having Mexico pay for it the first 24 hours
 
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