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[FreeGuy]

Basically, what you're saying are Muslims are bad and Israel is "good", right? You are saying that the siege on Gaza is justified because there are "Islamic fundamentalists" there, so you can't trust anyone that lives there. They are all grouped together and they can't have sovereignty because Hamas.

Tell me now how many has Israel killed vs how many Hamas has killed? Who has done more damage? Then tell me how one is a good guy while only one of them is the bad guy. I don't see the logic in that. You either don't know the facts or you choose to ignore the facts because of your fear of Muslims.

You completely ignored the factual statistics on the number of Muslims that want Western Civilization to be dismantled.

Do you?

Do you think we should be under Sharia Law?

Do you think Israel has the right to exist?

And by the way… when was Palestine a country and what was its’ boundaries?

 

[RaiGuy]

You completely ignored the factual statistics on the number of Muslims that want Western Civilization to be dismantled.

Do you?

Do you think we should be under Sharia Law?

Do you think Israel has the right to exist?

And by the way… when was Palestine a country and what was its’ boundaries?

Ah yes, factual statistics. Yes, please tell me the factual statistics on the number of Muslims that want to dismantle western civilization. My guess is that the percent of Muslims that want to destroy the west is equivalent to the number of people like you that want to destroy the Muslim civilization.

Can you also tell me who is trying to force Sharia Law on you? Stop watching Fox News. The only people trying to impose ultra religious laws in this country are Trump and his cronies.

I am not going to waste my time and answer your other questions as I have talked about it countless times before in the past few years. Go read a book.

 

[ZenMode]

Basically, what you're saying are Muslims are bad and Israel is "good", right?

Definitely not. Nobody is inherently bad because they're Muslim, Christian, Jewish, etc. I'm saying the Muslims who do terrible things are bad and it's not a coincidence that Muslim extremists/Jihadists behave badly all around the world.

You are saying that the siege on Gaza is justified because there are "Islamic fundamentalists" there, so you can't trust anyone that lives there.

If you're talking about the current siege, that is intended to drive Hamas completely out of Gaza and get aid to Palestinians, I would say it's justified.

I'm sure you can trust lots of people there. The problem is knowing which people.

They are all grouped together and they can't have sovereignty because Hamas.

Like I said, if Gaza, under Hamas, was left to its own devices, the attacks on Israel would be more frequent and more violent. Even with the blockade, Hamas still managed to assemble what is needed for October 7th. Imagine what it would be without the blockade.

Tell me now how many has Israel killed vs how many Hamas has killed? Who has done more damage? Then tell me how one is a good guy while only one of them is the bad guy. I don't see the logic in that. You either don't know the facts or you choose to ignore the facts because of your fear of Muslims.

Total deaths isn't an accurate measure of good and bad. What do you think caused more deaths: 9/11 or the subsequent war in Afghanistan? Does that diffence in body count make the US bad and the terrorists good?

What's important is intent.

Hamas' intent is to maximize civilian death. It's Israel's intent to minimize civilian deaths. If Israel had their weapons AND Hamas' intent, Gaza would be leveled and the civilian death count would be in the millions.

 

[RaiGuy]

What's important is intent.

Hamas' intent is to maximize civilian death. It's Israel's intent to minimize civilian deaths. If Israel had their weapons AND Hamas' intent, Gaza would be leveled and the civilian death count would be in the millions.

wouldn’t you say an intent to demolish and empty out Gaza and starve the population is not really looking to minimize civilian death? They aren’t protecting civilians out of the goodness of their hearts. They just want to do it slowly to avoid the backlash, which is working.

 

[FreeGuy]

Ah yes, factual statistics. Yes, please tell me the factual statistics on the number of Muslims that want to dismantle western civilization. My guess is that the percent of Muslims that want to destroy the west is equivalent to the number of people like you that want to destroy the Muslim civilization.

Can you also tell me who is trying to force Sharia Law on you? Stop watching Fox News. The only people trying to impose ultra religious laws in this country are Trump and his cronies.

I am not going to waste my time and answer your other questions as I have talked about it countless times before in the past few years. Go read a book.

Yep…. You would love to see Western Civilization crumble.

Funny how all of the peaceful protesters screaming to “Free Palestine” always cover their faces.

Why is that?

And if it’s such a noble cause and peaceful people then why doesn’t any of their Arab neighbors offer them refuge?

You know why and so does the rest of the world.

Add this to the list as to just how far off the rails the Democrats have gone.

Please continue!

 

[RaiGuy]

Yep…. You would love to see Western Civilization crumble.

Funny how all of the peaceful protesters screaming to “Free Palestine” always cover their faces.

Why is that?

And if it’s such a noble cause and peaceful people then why doesn’t any of their Arab neighbors offer them refuge?

You know why and so does the rest of the world.

Add this to the list as to just how far off the rails the Democrats have gone.

Please continue!

Dammit! You uncovered my plans! I was secretly trying to plan how to make the west crumble by making sure I was born here and integrated myself in society. It’s only a matter a time before you’ll be worshipping Allah and riding camels. Just you wait, infidel!

 

[FreeGuy]

Dammit! You uncovered my plans! I was secretly trying to plan how to make the west crumble by making sure I was born here and integrated myself in society. It’s only a matter a time before you’ll be worshipping Allah and riding camels. Just you wait, infidel!

Again…. Your religion hates homosexuals, women’s rights and anything that doesn’t follow Islam.

Can’t have a serious conversation with you because when you are presented with facts you make jokes and resort to childish jargon.

Wonder why?

 

[RaiGuy]

Again…. Your religion hates homosexuals, women’s rights and anything that doesn’t follow Islam.

Can’t have a serious conversation with you because when you are presented with facts you make jokes and resort to childish jargon.

Wonder why?

Funny how there’s been Muslim women presidents than female presidents in the US. But I guess facts aren’t important. Gtfoh you xenophobic prick.

 

[FreeGuy]

Funny how there’s been Muslim women presidents than female presidents in the US. But I guess facts aren’t important. Gtfoh you xenophobic prick.

Really? Where?

It’s not xenophobic to post facts. You may not like them but they are facts.

I didn’t even bring up child brides.

If you are going to discuss anti-Semitic tropes about “Zionism” the coin has two sides.

 

[superrific]

Really? Where?

It’s not xenophobic to post facts. You may not like them but they are facts.

I didn’t even bring up child brides.

If you are going to discuss anti-Semitic tropes about “Zionism” the coin has two sides.

Most coins have two sides even if RaiGuy doesn't discuss anti-Semitic tropes. What do the coins look like in your world? Mobius strips?

And the coin having two sides is his point and mine and many others here. Try to keep up.

 

[ZenMode]

wouldn’t you say an intent to demolish and empty out Gaza and starve the population is not really looking to minimize civilian death? They aren’t protecting civilians out of the goodness of their hearts. They just want to do it slowly to avoid the backlash, which is working.

I haven't seen anything that makes me believe Israel wants to "demolish and empty out" Gaza.

Leveraging aid to get hostages released is questionable. Israel puts significant priority of getting ALL hostages released. They once released over 1,000 terrorist, including Sinwar, to get one hostage back.

However, it appears that Israel has now changed their approach and Israel will temporarily take over all of Gaza in order to resume aid and remove Hamas. Again, if the roles were reversed, would Hamas take steps to help Israeli civilians?

BTW, before Israel's announced intent to take over Gaza and resume aid, I said here there was a 99% chance Israel caves first regarding withholding aid. I accurately predicted that because Hamas/Jihadists aren't scared to die as a martyr.... because of their religious, not socio-economic/political, beliefs.

I mentioned the Taliban attack on a Peshawar school in 2014. They killed 130 children while reportedly yelling Allahu Akbar. I can't find the link, but I have a partial quote from a Taliban supporter about the attack:

“Human life only has value among you worldly materialist thinkers. For us, this human life is only a tiny meaningless fragment of our existence. Our real destination is the Hereafter. We don’t just believe it exists, we know it does. Death is not the end of life. It is the beginning of existence, in a world much more beautiful than this. As you know, the (Urdu) word for death is ‘intiqaal.’ It means ‘transfer,’ not 'end'.

"Paradise is for those of pure hearts. All children have pure hearts. They have not yet sinned. … They have not yet been corrupted [by their apostate parents]. We did not end their lives. We gave them new ones, in Paradise, where they will be loved more than you can imagine …”

That is pure, religion-fueled evil and those are the types of people running Gaza (Hamas) and fighting Israel.

 

[Batt Boy]

Lots to digest the past several weeks



1. Hezbollah's disarmament is going better than expected. Lebanon's government is clearing some areas faster than expected, and there were even instances of Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups surrendering arms and being arrested.

2. Israeli airstrikes continue in Lebanon (as per ceasefire agreement) with 0 response from Hezbollah so far, indicating Hezbollah is thoroughly deterred, demoralized, and broken.

3. In Gaza, the IDF seems (according to satellite footage) to prepare the ground in several ways.
A. Rafah buffer zone is being expanded massively.
B. Rafah is being flattened and rubble is cleared. Ground is paved in a way that indicates a future tent city.
C. Netzarim and Morag corridors are being expanded.
D. Buffer zone into Gaza is being expanded.

4. It's indicated that the plan is to evacuate the entire population of Gaza to Rafah into the large camp being prepared. Aid will be distributed from just 1 location in Gaza, directly from IDF-controlled territory, in order to reduce thefts that allow Hamas to stay politically relevant.

5. New poll reveals 47% of Gazans are willing to leave Gaza if given the option. Small numbers of Gazans with foreign citizenship have already left via Israel.

6. The US initiated a massive strike campaign on the Houthis and recently stopped following a ceasefire announcement.

7. Israel and Houthis engaged more directly recently after a Houthi missile landed very close to Israel's Ben Gurion international airport, and Israel retaliated by destroying the Houthis' only international airport in Sanaa, and their sea port in Hodeidah. The airport is done for years.

8. Various mysterious explosions are occurring in Iran including in its largest sea port, during talks with the US regarding its nuclear program.

 

[ZenMode]

Lots to digest the past several weeks



1. Hezbollah's disarmament is going better than expected. Lebanon's government is clearing some areas faster than expected, and there were even instances of Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups surrendering arms and being arrested.

2. Israeli airstrikes continue in Lebanon (as per ceasefire agreement) with 0 response from Hezbollah so far, indicating Hezbollah is thoroughly deterred, demoralized, and broken.

3. In Gaza, the IDF seems (according to satellite footage) to prepare the ground in several ways.
A. Rafah buffer zone is being expanded massively.
B. Rafah is being flattened and rubble is cleared. Ground is paved in a way that indicates a future tent city.
C. Netzarim and Morag corridors are being expanded.
D. Buffer zone into Gaza is being expanded.

4. It's indicated that the plan is to evacuate the entire population of Gaza to Rafah into the large camp being prepared. Aid will be distributed from just 1 location in Gaza, directly from IDF-controlled territory, in order to reduce thefts that allow Hamas to stay politically relevant.

5. New poll reveals 47% of Gazans are willing to leave Gaza if given the option. Small numbers of Gazans with foreign citizenship have already left via Israel.

6. The US initiated a massive strike campaign on the Houthis and recently stopped following a ceasefire announcement.

7. Israel and Houthis engaged more directly recently after a Houthi missile landed very close to Israel's Ben Gurion international airport, and Israel retaliated by destroying the Houthis' only international airport in Sanaa, and their sea port in Hodeidah. The airport is done for years.

8. Various mysterious explosions are occurring in Iran including in its largest sea port, during talks with the US regarding its nuclear program.

I think #2 is also true of Iran. They aren't coming to the defense of Hamas or Hezbollah because they don't have Russia to prop them up.

 

[RaiGuy]

I haven't seen anything that makes me believe Israel wants to "demolish and empty out" Gaza.

you may have missed this with all the other news. This was 2 days ago by a government official.

Israeli official says Gaza will be "entirely destroyed," Palestinians "will start to leave in great numbers"

Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich says victory in Gaza will mean the enclave being "entirely destroyed," Palestinians leaving for other countries.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[RaiGuy]

Really? Where?

It’s not xenophobic to post facts. You may not like them but they are facts.

I didn’t even bring up child brides.

If you are going to discuss anti-Semitic tropes about “Zionism” the coin has two sides.

Google is your friend

List of Muslim women heads of state and government - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

It is xenophobic when you post lies about Islam.

Tell me an anti-Semitic trope that I said? Also, if you weren’t an idiot, you would know that Judaism and Zionism are not the same. You can criticize Israel and not be anti-Semitic. Also, Palestinians are semites as well, so there’s that.
Now try doing some research next time before you come talking about facts.

 

[farce©]

Funny how all of the peaceful protesters screaming to “Free Palestine” always cover their faces.

Why is that?

Why do ICE agents always cover their faces?

 

[ZenMode]

you may have missed this with all the other news. This was 2 days ago by a government official.

Israeli official says Gaza will be "entirely destroyed," Palestinians "will start to leave in great numbers"

Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich says victory in Gaza will mean the enclave being "entirely destroyed," Palestinians leaving for other countries.

www.cbsnews.com

I don't know much of anything about the role of the Minister of Finance in military decisions in Israel, but I don't suspect his opinion means much. It also sounds like he's a far-right big mouth.

From what I've read, the official position of Israel seems to be a plan to drive out Hamas and get aid to the citizens of Gaza, not drive citizens from Gaza.

 

[RaiGuy]

I don't know much of anything about the role of the Minister of Finance in military decisions in Israel, but I don't suspect his opinion means much. It also sounds like he's a far-right big mouth.

From what I've read, the official position of Israel seems to be a plan to drive out Hamas and get aid to the citizens of Gaza, not drive citizens from Gaza.

He's not the only one to say that. They are all close to Netanyahu and are out of control.

 

[nycfan]

Israel won't be involved in new Gaza aid plan, only in security, US envoy says​

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“A U.S.-backed mechanism for distributing aid into Gaza should take effect soon, Washington's ambassador to Israel said on Friday ahead of President Donald Trump's visit to the Middle East, but he gave few details.

… Ambassador Mike Huckabee said several partners had already committed to taking part in the aid arrangement but declined to name them, saying details would be released in the coming days.

… European leaders and aid groups have criticised a plan by Israel, which has prevented aid from entering Gaza since breaking a ceasefire with Hamas in March, for private companies to take over humanitarian distributions in the enclave.

… The United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF) on Friday criticised emerging plans to take over distribution of aid in Gaza floated by both Israel and the United States, saying this would increase suffering for children and families.

A proposal is circulating among the aid community for a Gaza Humanitarian Foundation that would distribute food from four "Secure Distribution Sites", resembling plans announced by Israel earlier this week, but drew criticism that it would effectively worsen displacement among the Gaza population.

Huckabee said there would be an "initial number" of distribution centres that could feed "perhaps over a million people" before being scaled up to ultimately reach two million.

"Private security" would be responsible for the safety of workers getting into the distribution centres and in the distribution of the food itself, Huckabee said, declining to comment on rules of engagement for security personnel.

"Everything would be done in accordance with international law," he said. …”

 

[nycfan]

Israel won't be involved in new Gaza aid plan, only in security, US envoy says​

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www.reuters.com

“A U.S.-backed mechanism for distributing aid into Gaza should take effect soon, Washington's ambassador to Israel said on Friday ahead of President Donald Trump's visit to the Middle East, but he gave few details.

… Ambassador Mike Huckabee said several partners had already committed to taking part in the aid arrangement but declined to name them, saying details would be released in the coming days.

… European leaders and aid groups have criticised a plan by Israel, which has prevented aid from entering Gaza since breaking a ceasefire with Hamas in March, for private companies to take over humanitarian distributions in the enclave.

… The United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF) on Friday criticised emerging plans to take over distribution of aid in Gaza floated by both Israel and the United States, saying this would increase suffering for children and families.

A proposal is circulating among the aid community for a Gaza Humanitarian Foundation that would distribute food from four "Secure Distribution Sites", resembling plans announced by Israel earlier this week, but drew criticism that it would effectively worsen displacement among the Gaza population.

Huckabee said there would be an "initial number" of distribution centres that could feed "perhaps over a million people" before being scaled up to ultimately reach two million.

"Private security" would be responsible for the safety of workers getting into the distribution centres and in the distribution of the food itself, Huckabee said, declining to comment on rules of engagement for security personnel.

"Everything would be done in accordance with international law," he said. …”

US confirms plan for private firms to deliver Gaza aid despite UN alarm - BBC News

UN agencies say they will not co-operate with the proposed system because it appears to "weaponise" aid.

www.bbc.com

“… Meanwhile, Israeli media reported that Israeli forces were already setting up distribution hubs in Rafah, in southern Gaza, in "a sterile zone" designed to be free of any Hamas presence.

According to reports, Israel expects that aid will be distributed to security-screened representatives from each Gazan family who would be allowed to take supplies for his or her relatives only. They would be allowed into the hubs only on foot.

The Israeli defence establishment was said to have assessed that the average quantity of aid that would have to be distributed as 70kg (154lb) per family per week.

… However, there are major questions over the plan's feasibility. The current UN system uses some 400 points of aid distribution, while the situation in Gaza is now at a crisis point, with warnings that mass starvation is imminent.

… James Elder, spokesman for the UN's children's agency Unicef, said the plan that had been laid out would lead to more children suffering, not fewer. He noted that civilians would have to travel to militarised zones to receive aid, meaning the most vulnerable - children and the elderly - would struggle to get there.

He said the decision to locate all the distribution points in the south appeared designed to use aid as "a bait" to forcibly displace Gazans once again. The UN says 90% of the population has been displaced during the war, often many times.

… The plan that has been discussed with UN agencies envisages just 60 lorry loads of aid entering each day - far less than they say is needed to meet growing needs, and a tenth of the number that went in daily during the recent two-month ceasefire.

OCHA's Jens Laerke said that, in short, the proposals from the US and Israel "do not meet the minimum bar for principled humanitarian support".

The UN and other aid agencies point out that they currently have tonnes of supplies piled up near Gaza's border crossings, ready to enter, if Israel would allow it to.

Without an end to the blockade, the risk of famine is expected to grow.”