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Maybe you can give us some words from the terrorists around the world, particularly Hamas and Hezbollah, who's stated goal is to carry out "Oct 7" attacks again and again, wiping Israel, and all the Jews therein, off the face of the Earth?

Your faux pearl clutching isn't accomplishing much.
You see the difference? You are asking about seeing what terrorist groups are saying, and that link is what the mainstream Israeli media is saying. It's mirroring terrorist rhetoric, is it not? You were the one arguing how moral Israel is, and yet they keep showing their true colors. When their rhetoric mimics that of terrorists, what does that make them? How are you going to move the goalposts on this one?
 
You see the difference? You are asking about seeing what terrorist groups are saying, and that link is what the mainstream Israeli media is saying. It's mirroring terrorist rhetoric, is it not? You were the one arguing how moral Israel is, and yet they keep showing their true colors. When their rhetoric mimics that of terrorists, what does that make them? How are you going to move the goalposts on this one?
Yes, I see the difference. On one hand, we're talking about the "media" in Israel. As I'm sure you know, the so-called media TV shows in the US are often nothing more than inflammatory rhetoric, designed to get people all wound up to get the show ratings. Ever watch The 5 on Fox News? Ever watch Rachel Maddow or whatever the ridiculous morning show guy is on MSNBC?

There's no reason similar shows in Israel wouldn't be the same. These people are useless talking heads, whose opinions mean nothing.

On the other hand, you have leaders of terrorist organizations specifically saying they will carry out October 7-type attacks "again and again", until Israel is eliminated.
 
Yes, I see the difference. On one hand, we're talking about the "media" in Israel. As I'm sure you know, the so-called media TV shows in the US are often nothing more than inflammatory rhetoric, designed to get people all wound up to get the show ratings. Ever watch The 5 on Fox News? Ever watch Rachel Maddow or whatever the ridiculous morning show guy is on MSNBC?

There's no reason similar shows in Israel wouldn't be the same. These people are useless talking heads, whose opinions mean nothing.

On the other hand, you have leaders of terrorist organizations specifically saying they will carry out October 7-type attacks "again and again", until Israel is eliminated.
Lol, so people on Israeli media saying they want to get rid of Palestinians is just "inflammatory rhetoric" but when the others say it it's terrorist rhetoric.
I've seen Fox and I've never heard them say that all democrats should be wipe out. I've never seen Rachel Maddow argue that all MAGA supporters should be blown up. Maybe you watch a different channel that I don't know about.
 
Lol, so people on Israeli media saying they want to get rid of Palestinians is just "inflammatory rhetoric" but when the others say it it's terrorist rhetoric.
Israeli TV personalities shouldn't be saying such things but we also don't have any context for what they said. The clips are highly cropped, which is normally done with dishonest intentions. Either way, while inappropriate, ultimately the opinion of know-nothing talk show hosts doesn't impact actions by IDF.
I've seen Fox and I've never heard them say that all democrats should be wipe out. I've never seen Rachel Maddow argue that all MAGA supporters should be blown up. Maybe you watch a different channel that I don't know about.
I haven't either, but I've heard some very ignorant, inflammatory things. Of course, I can't really speak for Israelis. If I lived next door to a homicidal, lunatic neighbor, who was constantly lobbing Molotov cocktails through my windows, year after year, I might say some inflammatory things, too.
 
neighbor, who was constantly lobbing Molotov cocktails through my windows, year after year, I might say some inflammatory things, too.
I have no issues with Israel saying inflammatory things. And to extend your analogy, I wouldn't even have a problem with Israel sending some explosives back the way it came. Here's what I wouldn't do: burn down the whole subdivision to make sure I killed my neighbors, nor would I try to kill the extended families of anyone associated with the house.
 
I have no issues with Israel saying inflammatory things. And to extend your analogy, I wouldn't even have a problem with Israel sending some explosives back the way it came. Here's what I wouldn't do: burn down the whole subdivision to make sure I killed my neighbors, nor would I try to kill the extended families of anyone associated with the house.
We are back to our previous impasse.*

I look at what Israel has done, with the exception of the denial of aid, and I see no issue with their actions, overall. It's not realistic to expect them to continue to be attacked and retaliate just a little, which is to say they aren't permitted, due to international pressure, to actually win. They're, at least prior to now, pressured into only fighting to a tie.

*So, I'll ask again.... what should Israel do?
 
I look at what Israel has done, with the exception of the denial of aid, and I see no issue with their actions, overall.
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

The reason that they aren't "winning" is that they aren't trying to win. They don't have a plan -- not unlike the US in Vietnam, where we seemed to assume if we killed all the bad guys, we'd come out on top. But the bad guys kept coming and coming.

If Israel were to come out with a realistic peace plan to secure better defenses for them and a vision for the lawful inhabitants of the Palestinian areas, I'll bet it would get a lot of international support. But have you seen anything like that? I haven't. Because they don't want peace. The religious right has taken over the country and that religious right is genocidal.
 
I have no issues with Israel saying inflammatory things. And to extend your analogy, I wouldn't even have a problem with Israel sending some explosives back the way it came. Here's what I wouldn't do: burn down the whole subdivision to make sure I killed my neighbors, nor would I try to kill the extended families of anyone associated with the house.
Nor would you impede aid and watch the entire subdivision starve, suffer and die of your inflicted injures, etc, etc,,,,.
 
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

The reason that they aren't "winning" is that they aren't trying to win. They don't have a plan -- not unlike the US in Vietnam, where we seemed to assume if we killed all the bad guys, we'd come out on top. But the bad guys kept coming and coming.
Their plan, as I've read it, is to remove Hamas entirely. Presumably to have a non-terrorist group run the government.
If Israel were to come out with a realistic peace plan to secure better defenses for them and a vision for the lawful inhabitants of the Palestinian areas, I'll bet it would get a lot of international support. But have you seen anything like that? I haven't. Because they don't want peace. The religious right has taken over the country and that religious right is genocidal.
There can be no peace plan as long as Hamas, or any Islamist/terrorist group, exists in Gaza.

All Israel can do, outside forcing regime change and "hope", is to debilitate Hamas so badly, and likely continue enforcing a blockade, to put off the next attack as long as possible.
 
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Their plan, as I've read it, is to remove Hamas entirely. Presumably to have a non-terrorist group run the government.

There can be no peace plan as long as Hamas, or any Islamist/terrorist group, exists in Gaza.

All Israel can do, outside forcing regime change and "hope", is to debilitate Hamas so badly, and likely continue enforcing a blockade, to put off the next attack as long as possible.
Funny you say that as Netanyahu admitted yesterday for arming an ISIS-affiliate gang to fight Hamas. Are you cool with that?
 
So you're fine if that group winds up taking over? Do you think it's "moral" to arm an ISIS-affiliate?

Again, you change your argument to fit your narrative.
No. I'm definitely not ok with another terrorist organization running Gaza. The question was whether or not I'm ok with Netanyahu arming ISIS to fight Hamas. Sure. Why not? I could come back to bite him since I doubt ISIS is a big fan of Israel, but nothing wrong with leveraging a little theological hatred to your advantage.
 
Their plan, as I've read it, is to remove Hamas entirely. Presumably to have a non-terrorist group run the government.
That's an aspiration, not a plan. Not going to indulge you arguing over the meanings of words. A plan is an identified means to a specified end. That is not a plan.
 
No. I'm definitely not ok with another terrorist organization running Gaza. The question was whether or not I'm ok with Netanyahu arming ISIS to fight Hamas. Sure. Why not? I could come back to bite him since I doubt ISIS is a big fan of Israel, but nothing wrong with leveraging a little theological hatred to your advantage.
This is fucking moronic. So you arm a gang, have them fight Hamas, hope they beat Hamas, and then hope that they don't fight you? Or that you can then backstab them and eliminate them?

Now you see why I don't answer the question, "what should Israel do." My answer would also be moronic, because it's an incredibly complicated issue that requires a great deal of study to really grasp and a deep familiarity with the relevant players. Since I generally try to avoid being a moron, I don't offer up moronic ideas. Apparently that has never stopped you.
 
This is fucking moronic. So you arm a gang, have them fight Hamas, hope they beat Hamas, and then hope that they don't fight you? Or that you can then backstab them and eliminate them?

Now you see why I don't answer the question, "what should Israel do." My answer would also be moronic, because it's an incredibly complicated issue that requires a great deal of study to really grasp and a deep familiarity with the relevant players. Since I generally try to avoid being a moron, I don't offer up moronic ideas. Apparently that has never stopped you.
Kinda like the CIA arming the mujahedeen in Afghanistan and creating the Taliban, no?
 
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

The reason that they aren't "winning" is that they aren't trying to win. They don't have a plan -- not unlike the US in Vietnam, where we seemed to assume if we killed all the bad guys, we'd come out on top. But the bad guys kept coming and coming.

If Israel were to come out with a realistic peace plan to secure better defenses for them and a vision for the lawful inhabitants of the Palestinian areas, I'll bet it would get a lot of international support. But have you seen anything like that? I haven't. Because they don't want peace. The religious right has taken over the country and that religious right is genocidal.
When you’ve been at war forever, sometimes human nature wound take over and that would be “just level the place and ask questions later.” I think that’s probably the appetite for Israeli people right now. Make Gaza a parking lot and personally we won’t have to worry about them taking me as a hostage.
 
No. I'm definitely not ok with another terrorist organization running Gaza. The question was whether or not I'm ok with Netanyahu arming ISIS to fight Hamas. Sure. Why not? I could come back to bite him since I doubt ISIS is a big fan of Israel, but nothing wrong with leveraging a little theological hatred to your advantage.
The US is arming Ukraine. Before Ukraine was attacked, would the US ever have been in bed with them? Of course not. War makes strange bed fellows.
 
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