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[superrific]

They can’t. Wars are like that. Innocent people die.

I can't even imagine what life must be like for you.

After hundreds of pages, plus many more on the other board; after dozens or hundreds of posts stretching back a year; you come back with the same useless, uninformative, irrelevant maxim you started with.

I would disembowel myself at half that humiliation. It is humiliating for you.

 

[RaiGuy]

You do when you're at war.

Come on.....Because Israel can't be sure it's only aid. They can't even be sure it's an aid ship.

That's a BS excuse. They can easily search the ship and let them pass. However, they purposefully raided them at night and basically abducted them.
The people on the boat aren't any random people. They are humanitarians, journalists, and government officials. They aren't carrying any weapons.

 

[ZenMode]

That's a BS excuse. They can easily search the ship and let them pass. However, they purposefully raided them at night and basically abducted them.
The people on the boat aren't any random people. They are humanitarians, journalists, and government officials. They aren't carrying any weapons.

It's not. They intercepted the boat, as they should.

• A yacht carrying activists and a small quantity of humanitarian aid that was trying to reach Gaza is continuing towards an Israeli port, Israel's foreign ministry says
• Climate activist Greta Thunberg and a French lawmaker are among 12 people aboard the Madleen that was intercepted by Israeli forces earlier today
• Israel brands the boat a "selfie yacht" and carrying "less than a single truckload of aid" and says the activists will be deported

Greta Thunberg and other activists on Gaza aid boat will be deported, Israel says - live updates

Israel's foreign ministry has branded it a "selfie yacht", while Thunberg says she has been "kidnapped" after Israeli forces boarded the vessel.

www.bbc.com

This was a PR stunt that ultimately impacted nobody except for the fools on the ship who are going to inconvenienced while being detained and deported.

 

[nycfan]

More details (or at least claims and counterclaims) about the Maldeen incident last night and Israel’s more violent assault on a Turkish aid floating 2010 (under Netanyahu’s leadership then, too).

—> https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-ea...1?st=dTGdZ5&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

“… The Israeli Foreign Ministry said early Monday that the ship was “safely making its way to the shores of Israel” and that the passengers were expected to return to their home countries. The ministry also posted a video of masked Israeli military personnel handing out sandwiches and bottled water to the activists.

“The maritime zone off the coast of Gaza is closed to unauthorized vessels under a legal naval blockade, consistent with international law,” the Israeli Foreign Ministry had earlier said in a social-media post.

The Freedom Flotilla Coalition, the activist group that organized the boat, said Israeli forces had boarded the vessel just after 3 a.m. local time and detained those onboard. The coalition said the interception took place in international waters, posting a set of coordinates north of Egypt’s Port Said near the entrance to the Suez Canal.

Earlier, activists on the vessel posted videos they said showed the boat being sprayed with an unidentified white substance. The activists gathered in a group holding their hands in the air after throwing their phones overboard, according to a video posted by the group.

The Israeli military said the white substance was paint and wasn’t harmful, but didn’t say why they sprayed it on the vessel.

… Israel intends to distribute the aid on board the Madleen in Gaza, a spokesman for Israel’s foreign ministry said.

… Organizers of the new sea mission to Gaza said that while the ship was carrying a small amount of aid, the group’s mission was a political attempt to challenge Israel’s siege of Gaza and potentially open a maritime corridor for other ships to bring aid to the strip. The enclave is seeing a humanitarian disaster unfold after a year and a half of war between Israel and the U.S.-designated terrorist group Hamas.…”

 

[BlooVooDoo]

It's not. They intercepted the boat, as they should.

• A yacht carrying activists and a small quantity of humanitarian aid that was trying to reach Gaza is continuing towards an Israeli port, Israel's foreign ministry says
• Climate activist Greta Thunberg and a French lawmaker are among 12 people aboard the Madleen that was intercepted by Israeli forces earlier today
• Israel brands the boat a "selfie yacht" and carrying "less than a single truckload of aid" and says the activists will be deported

Greta Thunberg and other activists on Gaza aid boat will be deported, Israel says - live updates

Israel's foreign ministry has branded it a "selfie yacht", while Thunberg says she has been "kidnapped" after Israeli forces boarded the vessel.

www.bbc.com

This was a PR stunt that ultimately impacted nobody except for the fools on the ship who are going to inconvenienced while being detained and deported.

It was a PR stunt and Israel took the bait. They’ve seized a UK flagged vessel in an international waters and detained citizens of several countries which is likely a violation of maritime law. All they had to do was wait until the ship sailed into Israeli territorial water and there wouldn’t have been a story.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

Oh, I forgot. they used the magic bombs that only hit tunnels and skip the buildings. My bad

No, they don't. There are no such magic bombs, and Hamas knows this, which is why they build their terror tunnels under civilian infrastructure.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

It was a PR stunt and Israel took the bait. They’ve seized a UK flagged vessel in an international waters and detained citizens of several countries which is likely a violation of maritime law. All they had to do was wait until the ship sailed into Israeli territorial water and there wouldn’t have been a story.

Detained and deported. No injuries, aside from some hurt feelings. Non-story.

 

[ZenMode]

No, they don't. There are no such magic bombs, and Hamas knows this, which is why they build their terror tunnels under civilian infrastructure.

And hide in hospitals, homes, schools, mosques, churches.....

They using Israel's morality against them, to slow them down and because they know some portion of the world will fall for the lies and propaganda that pro-terrorist/anti-Semitic media outlets put out.

 

[RaiGuy]

They using Israel's morality against them, to slow them down and because they know some portion of the world will fall for the lies and propaganda that pro-terrorist/anti-Semitic media outlets put out.

That's rich coming from pro-baby killers/pro-starvers.

 

[ZenMode]

That's rich coming from pro-baby killers/pro-starvers.

Deaths, even of babies, is part of war, a war that Hamas started.

I've already said I don't support the denial of aid, but the claims of genocide and the believing of terrorist lies started on October 9, if not the 8th.

 

[ZenMode]

Deaths, even of babies, is part of war, a war that Hamas started.

I've already said I don't support the denial of aid, but the claims of genocide and the believing of terrorist lies started on October 9, if not the 8th.

As I've asked multiple times, what should Israel do? Hamas continually attacks them, with the biggest attack being on 10/7/23, then they run back to Gaza, hostages in hand, and hide in hospitals, churches, schools and mosques...

What should Israel do? Let them continually attack without consequence?

 

[HintonJamesHeel]

As I've asked multiple times, what should Israel do? Hamas continually attacks them, with the biggest attack being on 10/7/23, then they run back to Gaza, hostages in hand, and hide in hospitals, churches, schools and mosques...

What should Israel do? Let them continually attack without consequence?

I think it’s more that 10/7 was the final straw but these two sides have been fighting in a war forever. The world just started playing attention after 10/7.

 

[superrific]

I just started playing attention after 10/7.

Fixed it for you.

 

[superrific]

No, they don't. There are no such magic bombs, and Hamas knows this, which is why they build their terror tunnels under civilian infrastructure.

Just out of curiosity, what's the emergency responder response to the following situation (adapted from real life events): A person takes a whole bunch of guns into a hotel room. He starts shooting at pedestrians below, while taking some hostages for protection.

Would you respond by:

1. Blowing up the hotel with a bunker busting bomb; or
2. Find a different way

Just curious.

 

[RaiGuy]

Deaths, even of babies, is part of war, a war that Hamas started.

I've already said I don't support the denial of aid, but the claims of genocide and the believing of terrorist lies started on October 9, if not the 8th.

Yes, because Israel's intentions were known on October 8th (and before October 7th). This has always been Netanyahu's plan and he was just waiting for a time to execute it. Again, you continue to show how little you know about this subject when you keep the false claims that it started on October 7th.

 

[ZenMode]

Just out of curiosity, what's the emergency responder response to the following situation (adapted from real life events): A person takes a whole bunch of guns into a hotel room. He starts shooting at pedestrians below, while taking some hostages for protection.

Would you respond by:

1. Blowing up the hotel with a bunker busting bomb; or
2. Find a different way

Just curious.

"Find a different way"

Your two answers to the question of what Israel should do, as far as I've seen, are "I don't know" and "Find a different way".

 

[RaiGuy]

"Find a different way"

Your two answers to the question of what Israel should do, as far as I've seen, are "I don't know" and "Find a different way".

You are the kind of person to agree with literally blowing up a house to get rid of some spiders (after willingly feeding the spiders prior to them biting someone in the house).

 

[superrific]

As I've asked multiple times, what should Israel do? Hamas continually attacks them, with the biggest attack being on 10/7/23, then they run back to Gaza, hostages in hand, and hide in hospitals, churches, schools and mosques...

What should Israel do? Let them continually attack without consequence?

Was it right or wrong for the US to have carpet bombed Vietnam with napalm, agent orange and conventional explosives, since the VC fighters were "hiding" amidst the villages?

What never occurs to the unreflective apologist is that the Hamas soldiers "hide" among civilians because that's where they live. They aren't a professional military with military bases and barracks for the troops. Like the VC in that respect. That's what happens in such situations.

For many years, Israel squeezed Gaza pointlessly. It made the Palestinians angry. Very angry, and rightfully so. Some of them joined Hamas, and Hamas realized that its previous strategy of isolated bombings had become ineffective. So it planned something bigger.

What do you think is going to happen next? Islamism is going to just die because Hamas was destroyed? Thousands of years of human history suggest that is not the likely outcome. What is much more likely is that terrorists will get their hands on a nuke and bye bye Tel Aviv. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

 

[ZenMode]

You are the kind of person to agree with literally blowing up a house to get rid of some spiders (after willingly feeding the spiders prior to them biting someone in the house).

Not at all. Israel is in a no-win situation and are being held to impossible standards. As I've said repeatedly, there are 15k people per square mile in Gaza. If Israel wanted to commit genocide, they would killed, and are capable of killing, millions by now. They're at about 55k based on recent estimates I've seen.

So, you tell me.... Is Israel the most inept military in the history of war or are they not trying to commit genocide?

 

[superrific]

Your two answers to the question of what Israel should do, as far as I've seen, are "I don't know" and "Find a different way".

Yes, because I'm not an arrogant blowhard like you.

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how law works. We can agree that murder is illegal in the United States, right? All right. Suppose you have a rental property. You rent it to a psychopath who begins to systematically destroy it. He breeds bugs and rats, pulls the wires out of the walls, etc. Then you try to evict him but he gets a court to order that the landlord go through the eviction process. The landlord says, if we go this way, my property will be gone by the time we get him out.

Now, I ask you: what do you think is the proper course of action for him: A). Shoot and kill the psychopath renter? or B). Find another way.

This is how all law works everywhere: it constrains actions. People who would want to use violence to achieve an end are expected to find another way. The law doesn't prescribe that other way. That's not the law's job. For one thing, it would be a huge violation of personal freedom; secondly , it would be ignorant because the people who write the laws do not have detailed knowledge of everyone's lives.

I'm very happy with "find another way" as a response. The landlord is in a shitty situation. Nonetheless, homicide is wrong and would be rightfully prosecuted. Like every rational American, I feel for him and don't necessarily know what he should do. Like every rational American, I would not countenance a murder.

This isn't hard.