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Israel launches attack on Iran | US bombs Iran nuke sites

ZZLPHeels said:
If an asteroid hits the earth, we'll all die. If Jennifer Anniston goes back in time and comes to my house 20 years younger, I'm going to have an affair. You are concerned about things that are not going to happen. Stop fear-mongering. Get yourself together.
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Says the person who thinks we were going to be nuked by Iran.

And don't give me advice. Im not fear mongering any more than you're pollyanna-ing the shitstorm headed our way.
 
RaiGuy said:
We didn’t reach the point where bombs were necessary…not even close. We only reached a point where Israel wanted us to use our bombs and troops. There would have been no need if Israel didn’t go rogue and decided to escalate things with Iran. They were not close to getting nuclear weapons. There was time to work on a peaceful resolution. Israel is the root cause of this shit and they’re the ones commanding us on what to do. It’s just like how they tricked us into the war with Iraq.

Netanyahu knows Iran wasn’t close to getting a bomb, even when he was using his ACME bomb chart. He’s wanted to topple the regime there for 30 years and has been trying to dupe us into helping him eliminate that threat. Our government officials put Israel above US citizens and it’s disgusting.
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Iran has been completely castrated over the last 2 years. We'd never get a better chance to take out those bunkers if we passed this one up. Sometimes you have to take the opportunities that you are given, and when you are given the opportunity to hit a grand slam in the bottom of the 6th you take it instead of assuming that you'll have the same chance when you are down by 2 in the 9th.
 
Paine said:
The idea that Iran would nuke the U.S. or Israel is just pure fearmongering. It’s not grounded in strategy or history, it’s manufactured to justify endless violence.
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It is grounded in Iran's explicit goals and statements. Religious fanatics don't always behave logically.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Iran has been completely castrated over the last 2 years. We'd never get a better chance to take out those bunkers if we passed this one up. Sometimes you have to take the opportunities that you are given, and when you are given the opportunity to hit a grand slam in the bottom of the 6th you take it instead of assuming that you'll have the same chance when you are down by 2 in the 9th.
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You’ve succeeded in derailing the thread so I hope you’ll pat yourself on the back and leave soon, but I also hope you’ll stop equating Iran to some place like Gaza. Iran is a massively powerful nation. They still are. We — including you and Trump — underestimate them at our peril.
 
lawtig02 said:
You’ve succeeded in derailing the thread so I hope you’ll pat yourself on the back and leave soon, but I also hope you’ll stop equating Iran to some place like Gaza. Iran is a massively powerful nation. They still are. We — including you and Trump — underestimate them at our peril.
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How is the thread derailed? We are literally talking about the strike on Iran's nuclear program.

Iran has proven that they are a paper tiger. They are less than that, actually. They are a paper mosquito at this point.
 
uncjhodges said:
Then why do you think they’re just going to
give up in their quest for a nuclear weapon or respond rationally?
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They aren't going to give up in their quest for a nuke, but they also can't manufacture one overnight. Hence the secret underground nuclear development facility that we just destroyed. It is hard - very hard - to manufacture a nuclear weapon. We just made it a million times harder for them.
 
HandsonFire said:
Am I the only one that thinks the US military would annihilate any attempts by Iran to block the Strait? They sure couldn’t stop Israel from invading their airspace at will, why is the Strait any different?
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You need to disregard what the US military could do. If you owned a tanker, is there any way you would send it in that narrow strait knowing Iran could hit it with a pretty cheap drone, missile, or mine? And then you got the way Ukraine cleared out the Russian Navy from the Black sea. And if nothing else, it was Iran that originally perfected suicide bombers. Any speed boat would work in that case.
 
BlueSmoke said:
You need to disregard what the US military could do. If you owned a tanker, is there any way you would send it in that narrow strait knowing Iran could hit it with a pretty cheap drone, missile, or mine? And then you got the way Ukraine cleared out the Russian Navy from the Black sea. And if nothing else, it was Iran that originally perfected suicide bombers. Any speed boat would work in that case.
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There were trackers last night showing oil tankers busting a U-turn.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
It is grounded in Iran's explicit goals and statements. Religious fanatics don't always behave logically.
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No, it’s not. It’s grounded in an Orientalist fantasy that paints Muslims, especially when they resist U.S. or Israeli power, as irrational, apocalyptic, and incapable of strategic thinking. Iran’s leadership, for all its authoritarianism, has consistently acted according to a logic of deterrence and regime preservation.

You don’t survive decades of sanctions, regional war, and international pressure by being reckless. You do it by being patient, calculating, and rational. The “they’re just religious fanatics” line isn’t analysis. It’s a permission slip for more violence.

North Korea has nukes. Pakistan has nukes. Israel has nukes. The only reason we pretend Iran can’t be trusted with deterrence is because we’re not ready to admit this was never about nukes.
 
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