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superrific said:
I was about to jokingly call you out on the typo there, until I looked it up and discovered that "equivalation" is actually a word. Seems improbable, but multiple sources confirmed. Message boards at their best. I was planning on some snark and I ended up learning something instead.

Although I would still maintain that equivalation is a really ugly word, sort of a linguistic equivalent of the vomit frog Bart Simpson conjured in the Halloween Harry Potter spoof.
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Haha! I'm always on the lookout for ugly, but technically legitimate, words. Like weenus. And crepuscular.
 
lawtig02 said:
Haha! I'm always on the lookout for ugly, but technically legitimate, words. Like weenus. And crepuscular.
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Cromulent? Embiggens? I know crepuscular. I kind of like that word. I mean, it's not my favorite, but it's no weenus or equivalate.

But does slang count? Google says that weenus is slang. On the other hand, it's not dissimilar to "vomer," which I learned Trivial Pursuit in the 80s (though the description in the game was not fully correct).
 
lawtig02 said:
This is what she said:

“I say no. You don’t move on, because Jan. 6 was an atrocity,” she said. “It was one of the worst moments in American history, and when you think about the worst moments in American history — like World War II, like the Holocaust, chattel slavery — we need to never forget because past becomes prologue if you forget and erase.”

That seems reasonable to me. Comparison =/= equivalation, which is a logical concept you seem to be struggling with on this topic.
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The deaths directly associated with the "worst moments" in American history - according to Hostin:

Holocaust - 6M
WW II - 70-85M
American slavery: 12M - 30M
J6 - 1
 
Ramrouser said:
Department of Justice
Conspiracy against Rights. 18 USC 241.
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1. Requires a showing that: "in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States" Nobody prosecuted for J6 was enjoying any right or privilege secured by the constitution. None of them had permission to be on the Capitol grounds.

By your logic, anyone convicted of trespassing could ask for an investigation of the prosecutor under 18 USC 241. This is a perfect example of why everyone laughs at you so hard.

2. Are you aware of prosecutorial immunity?
 
Ramrouser said:
The deaths directly associated with the "worst moments" in American history - according to Hostin:

Holocaust - 6M
WW II - 70-85M
American slavery: 12M - 30M
J6 - 1
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Yeah, that seems like a dumb thing to say. Bet we wouldn't have time in the day if we started on the equivalent from the right that had absolutely no truth to them instead of just being a big overstatement.
 
Ramrouser said:
The deaths directly associated with the "worst moments" in American history - according to Hostin:

Holocaust - 6M
WW II - 70-85M
American slavery: 12M - 30M
J6 - 1
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Because we all know that only deaths matter. Next time you complain about anything, we will simply ask you how many people died.

Let me also offer you a hint about how the world works. A lot of people consider the attack on Pearl Harbor to be among the worst days in the country's history. How many people died that day? about 2000, which isn't very significant for a military battle. So why was it so bad? Oh, because it necessitated entry into a war that ended up killing a lot more Americans? Because it was profoundly anxiety causing for Americans to be attacked on home soil? Because it established Japan as an imperialist power that thought it was cutting a head off a snake (and in so doing, mistook a dragon for a lowly reptile).
 
superrific said:
Because we all know that only deaths matter. Next time you complain about anything, we will simply ask you how many people died.

Let me also offer you a hint about how the world works. A lot of people consider the attack on Pearl Harbor to be among the worst days in the country's history. How many people died that day? about 2000, which isn't very significant for a military battle. So why was it so bad? Oh, because it necessitated entry into a war that ended up killing a lot more Americans? Because it was profoundly anxiety causing for Americans to be attacked on home soil? Because it established Japan as an imperialist power that thought it was cutting a head off a snake (and in so doing, mistook a dragon for a lowly reptile).
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Not all of Japan made that mistake. Yamamoto ,who planned Pearl Harbor knew better.

  • Yamamoto warned that Japan could only cause havoc for one to 18 months in a war with the United States, and that he had no confidence in victory if the war lasted longer. He also said, “You cannot invade the mainland United States”.

  • Diary entry
    Yamamoto reportedly wrote in his diary, “I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve”.
 
finesse said:
Yeah, that seems like a dumb thing to say. Bet we wouldn't have time in the day if we started on the equivalent from the right that had absolutely no truth to them instead of just being a big overstatement.
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Not to mention, the point of her comment was not to equivalate (you're welcome, super) January 6 with those other events. It was to illustrate the importance of not forgetting painful events and the lessons we should learn from them. By attempting to minimize the significance of January 6, MAGAs like Ramrouser are in the same category as Holocaust deniers and Lost Causers. Maybe not equivalent, but categorically comparable.
 
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Paine said:
You might want to look a bit more into Wikler’s background before simply labeling him a “party guy.” The party guy in the race is Ken Martin more than it is Wikler.
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It's a loss, either way. Keep in mind I used "a" not "the." Wikler is a frontrunner with Martin and an insider. Supported by Milquetoast Leader Schumer.

www.minnpost.com

DFL's Ken Martin faces Wisconsin chair Ben Wikler for DNC post

The New York Times writes the DNC candidates both are "chair of their state parties whose politics are well within the Democratic mainstream."
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Times reporter Reid J. Epstein writes that both are “middle-aged white men from the upper Midwest and chair of their state parties whose politics are well within the Democratic mainstream.

www.yahoo.com

Wikler picks up key endorsement in DNC chair bid

Wisconsin state party chair Ben Wikler received a key endorsement from Michigan Democratic Party chair Lavora Barnes on Monday in his bid to take the helm of the Democratic National Committee (DNC). “I am supporting Ben Wikler for DNC chair because he knows how to unite the party, to fight, and...
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www.theguardian.com

Frontrunners to lead DNC emerge as defeated Democrats aim to bounce back

Ken Martin and Ben Wikler from the midwest are favorites as party aims to recapture Congress and White House
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only Wikler has attracted the endorsement of a leading Democrat. Chuck Schumer, the Democratic minority leader in the Senate, has thrown his support behind Wikler.

Wikler has worked for Brown, Warren, Franken. He's a longtime Dem activist and company man. He'll continue the McGovern - Schumer milquetoast activism that no longer resonates with the working class and middle class. Wikler wants to fight, but he lost WI to Trump. Yeah, they turned over the Governorship and a few seats, but Ron Johnson is still Senator. Wisconsin is purple and they voted more blue in 2020 and 2024.

Color me skeptical that Wikler has the fire of a Josh Lyman and the strategic wisdom of a Leo McGarry (of West Wing of course).
 
superrific said:
1. Requires a showing that: "in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States" Nobody prosecuted for J6 was enjoying any right or privilege secured by the constitution. None of them had permission to be on the Capitol grounds.

By your logic, anyone convicted of trespassing could ask for an investigation of the prosecutor under 18 USC 241. This is a perfect example of why everyone laughs at you so hard.

2. Are you aware of prosecutorial immunity?
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I have never claimed to be an expert authority on Constitutional Law, much less, federal criminal law. The poster asked me to identify authority in which the DOJ attorneys could be prosecuted. I rely on my legal sources (J. Turley, Mike Davis, Andrew McCarthy) who have identified that statute as a possible crime. I assume prosecutors are not given immunity if they act outside the scope of their authority or commit intentional torts. It's being reported that Smith and his associates are "lawyering up" in DC so they must be worried about something.
 
Kangaroo courts? Trump has made no bones that he plans federal persecutions for all his naysayers. No, that's not a mistake.
 
Ramrouser said:
I have never claimed to be an expert authority on Constitutional Law, much less, federal criminal law. The poster asked me to identify authority in which the DOJ attorneys could be prosecuted. I rely on my legal sources (J. Turley, Mike Davis, Andrew McCarthy) who have identified that statute as a possible crime. I assume prosecutors are not given immunity if they act outside the scope of their authority or commit intentional torts. It's being reported that Smith and his associates are "lawyering up" in DC so they must be worried about something.
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You need better legal sources. All three of those guys are confirmed assclowns who have no respect in the legal profession to my knowledge. Turley is a running joke among law professors. I'm not sure he even teaches any more. He's a Fox News professional. Needless to say, section 241 is not remotely applicable, as a mere glance at the statute would reveal. Here's an idea: read the statute before trusting professional lawyers and professional fascists.

Anyway, you should read more about prosecutorial immunity. It's another concept you've butchered. First, the whole point of prosecutorial immunity -- like all immunities -- is to protect (right or wrong) people who act outside the scope of their authority. If they were acting within that scope, they wouldn't need immunity! This is a basic point, but anyway. Since most prosecutorial acts are intentional, intentionality doesn't carve out an exception either.

And this isn't a question of federal criminal law or constitutional law. This is a basic fact that might appear on a bar exam.

 
Some of these arguments from the Right on this forum are so fucking ridiculous - it's just hard to get engaged. The only real outrage here is that we - as a country - seemed to have condoned an attempted coup. Allowing MAGA to conflate the coup and the January 6th riot is to MAGA's benefit because as Ramrouser has noted - "only" one person died during the riot and it's easy to argue the Left has blown the riot out of "proportion."

The real crime was in the lead up to January 6th and the conspiracy that involved not only President Trump and his team, but various members of both chambers of Congress and other elected officials through key states. It's almost unfathomable to believe the entire fate of our democracy in 2021 rested on the actions of Mike Pence. But again - here we are and our nation part out of ambivalence and part out of ignorance has condoned the actions of Trump and his conspirators. That is the real outrage. And unfortunately, I think that will be the legacy and the real damage going forward.

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