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The Pubs let it happen and allowed Trump to be elected again because they care more about themselves than the country and democracy.
 
nycfan said:

Jan. 6 Has Taken On a Whole New Meaning​


The failures of the past four years are crystal clear, yet hard to fathom.​


slate.com

Four Years Later, Jan. 6 Has Taken On a Whole New Meaning. It’s Hard to Fathom.

Trump’s return is on wildly different terms.
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"...The reality settling over the United States today is that the insurrectionists outmaneuvered both Democratic leaders and America’s antiquated laws and institutions, and now they will have an extended opportunity to show us all what we’ve won.

That this grim moment seemed unimaginable four years ago almost goes without saying. Even some Republicans leaders and commentators who had spent four years laundering Trump’s vile indecency and explaining away each new assault on the country’s norms and institutions were momentarily chastened.

Inside the Capitol, the insurrection was violent and terrifying and could have resulted in multiple members of Congress getting killed or wounded. But while it was shocking to watch, it was also bumbling and rudderless and rather obviously doomed.

From the outside, it mostly looked like angry fans storming and looting the field and the clubhouse after their favorite team lost the Super Bowl—bad, but also not likely to change the final score.

...The mad king, alone in the alabaster castle from which he would soon be evicted, was isolated and desperate. The House Select Committee to investigate Jan. 6 and the many indictments related to it then showed just how responsible Trump was for it all. And yet somehow, over the course of Biden’s four soporific years in the White House, Trump managed not only to get away with every last bit of it, but to in effect finish what he started on the Ellipse that day—with boosts from our collapsing legal system, an amnesia-riddled electorate, and contrarian broligarchs who saw in the declining, erratic Trump a unique opportunity to smash any remaining obstacles to their A.I. and cryptocurrency get-rich schemes.

Books will be written about how this transpired, but it’s not actually that complicated.

Virtually every person tasked with bringing Trump and his allies to justice for the effort to overturn the 2020 election trusted that some other institutions could get it done.

... The effort to rehabilitate and reinstall Trump in power got a generous assist from the GOP’s ill-gotten 6–3 supermajority on an off-the-rails Supreme Court, which not only rescued Trump from the legal consequences of his actions but declared American presidents to be all but immortal. Perhaps Chief Justice John Roberts, who was “shaken by the adverse public reaction to his decision” in the Trump immunity case, according to CNN’s Joan Biskupic, may have thought that the electorate would reject Trump, allowing prosecutions to move forward on the much more narrow terms the Supreme Court appeared to allow. But that’s not the path that the voters chose.

The people tasked with eliminating the threat that Donald Trump poses to American constitutional democracy were ultimately more worried about the perception of procedural fairness than about getting the job done.

McConnell thought it was unfair and perhaps unconstitutional to convict a former president.

Biden and Garland worried that an overly aggressive approach from the White House and the Department of Justice would delegitimize the justice system.

Roberts, ostensibly concerned with his legacy and the court’s legitimacy, worried that failing to grant broad immunity to presidents would open the door to tit-for-tat prosecutions of outgoing presidents.

Meanwhile, Trump and his allies whined incessantly about “weaponization” of the Justice Department anyway and used by now standard and predictable Trump-era propaganda techniques to invert responsibility for Jan. 6—anointing the rioters political prisoners and convincing rank-and-file Republicans that the whole thing was a partisan farce."
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Amen.

January 6 - a day that lives in Infamy. The main perpetrator is not only still loose but will be back in the White House (under President Musk). Merrick Garland and the DOJ and FBI were sooooooo soft on Trump and he still whined like a beotch. Trump should have been residing in prison next to the other J6 perps two years ago.

Frankly, it's a day of shame as an American and a real patriot. We're in better shape that every other country on the globe, and 49.8 % fell for the disinformation campaign that Musk and Trump put on.

Trump is a Felon and Embarrassment in our dealings with the real world. God help us all.

The GQP is corrupt. The Dem leadership are milquetoasts. Jaime Harrison has been awful, just like the previous DNC chair. Dems need either new leadership that will be aggressive and not bought out by corporations and billionaires and has a populist message for the working class and middle class. Or a viable thrid party needs to form. They need someon under 50 or 40 who understands social media, reaching out to people and having a lunpail message.



I like James Skoufis (NY state Senator in a more rural district) as an outsider who will reboot the party. He's not a beltway guy and is committed to merit rather than bribes in moving the party forward. Skoufis has the idea of heading to red states and red districts and making inroads instead of flying over. He's won bigly in a Trump district.



https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...ratic-national-committee-leadership-election/

Dems will probably blow it and give the DNC chair to a "party guy" like Wikler (WI).
 
So certification will begin in about 45 minutes.

How many Dems have gathered on the mall to prepare for a storming of the Capitol Building ?

Did Vice President Harris deliver a fiery speech encouraging her supporters to go down to the Capitol and fight like hell to avoid not having a country anymore ?
 
Ramrouser said:
No one argues that SOME of the protestors on J6 got out of hand and attacked police. Same for the ones who vandalized property. Those people should be punished. But 99% of the people in the Capital, and on the grounds, were peaceful and respectful. The Dems and the media, however, insist upon labeling all of them (and Republicans who voted for Trump) insurrectionists.

In 2020, ya'll and the media went out of your way to piously instruct the rest of us that most of the George Floyd/BLM rioters were "peaceful" and that a few knuckle heads or "outside agitators" shouldn't diminish the protest. My Atlanta mayor said these folks simply needed to "let off some steam." I also don't recall this board calling for the Palestinian "protestors" who converged on the US Capitol and in the rotunda interrupting Congressional proceedings to be arrested. Cops were attacked during that protest as well.

J6 was a bad day no question. I just don't think it was the existential "threat to our democracy" that some claim.
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Of course you don't. You're a Trump dickrider.
 
heelinhell said:
So certification will begin in about 45 minutes.

How many Dems have gathered on the mall to prepare for a storming of the Capitol Building ?

Did Vice President Harris deliver a fiery speech encouraging her supporters to go down to the Capitol and fight like hell to avoid not having a country anymore ?
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According to Trump logic, Kamala Harris, being Vice POTUS, can refuse to certify the election, making her President. Let's go Kamala!
 
heelinhell said:
So certification will begin in about 45 minutes.

How many Dems have gathered on the mall to prepare for a storming of the Capitol Building ?

Did Vice President Harris deliver a fiery speech encouraging her supporters to go down to the Capitol and fight like hell to avoid not having a country anymore ?
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Of course not. As Hakeem Jeffries so eloquently put it. There are no election deniers on our side.
 
dukeman92 said:
Of course not. As Hakeem Jeffries so eloquently put it. There are no election deniers on our side.
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TBF, there have been liberal and Democratic deniers from time to time over the years (Bush v Gore, less so but some for Bush v Kerry, some for Clinton v. Trump), but they've mostly gotten sidelong looks and sighs from the large majority of Dems, not traction and power.
 
nycfan said:
TBF, there have been liberal and Democratic deniers from time to time over the years (Bush v Gore, less so but some for Bush v Kerry, some for Clinton v. Trump), but they've mostly gotten sidelong looks and sighs from the large majority of Dems, not traction and power.
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TBF, unlike the 2020 election, there was some legitimate controversy about those three elections.

Nevertheless neither Gore ,Kerry, nor Clinton planned an insurrection to overthrow the election nor did any of their supporters.
 
Ramrouser said:
Kellyanne Conway: "For liberals, every day is January 6th" "Worse than Pearl Harbor, JFK assassination and 9/11" combined.
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Sunny Hostin, on the View today, just compared J6 to “WW II, the Holocaust and chattel slavery.” No overreaction there.
 
Ramrouser said:
First election of a Republican a Dem has not challenged since 1988
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In what serious way have Democrats challenged and tried to overturn the election of a Republican? Gore lost Florida by less than 600 votes out of nearly 6 million cast and certainly had the right to ask for recounts - which were stopped by the Republican majority on the Supreme Court, 5-4. And there was no violence associated with that election, despite its extreme closeness. What did Democrats seriously do in 2004 and 2016 (or this year) to stop the Republican from taking office? You're comparing apples and oranges here.
 
Ramrouser said:
Sunny Hostin, on the View today, just compared J6 to “WW II, the Holocaust and chattel slavery.” No overreaction there.
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This is what she said:

“I say no. You don’t move on, because Jan. 6 was an atrocity,” she said. “It was one of the worst moments in American history, and when you think about the worst moments in American history — like World War II, like the Holocaust, chattel slavery — we need to never forget because past becomes prologue if you forget and erase.”

That seems reasonable to me. Comparison =/= equivalation, which is a logical concept you seem to be struggling with on this topic.
 
In 2004, John Kerry conceded to George W. Bush at about 11:00 am on Wednesday, Nov. 9th. The morning after the election.

In 2016, Hillary Clinton conceded to Donald Trump in the wee hours of Wednesday morning, November 3rd. The morning after the election.

In 2020, Donald Trump never conceded and tried to overturn the election.
 
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lawtig02 said:
Comparison =/= equivalation, which is a logical concept you seem to be struggling with on this topic.
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I was about to jokingly call you out on the typo there, until I looked it up and discovered that "equivalation" is actually a word. Seems improbable, but multiple sources confirmed. Message boards at their best. I was planning on some snark and I ended up learning something instead.

Although I would still maintain that equivalation is a really ugly word, sort of a linguistic equivalent of the vomit frog Bart Simpson conjured in the Halloween Harry Potter spoof.
 
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