J6 News Catch-All
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I posted a story on the EU catch-all thread about how failure to hold democratic leaders accountable for a massive corruption scandal in 2006 in Slovakia undermined faith in institutions and support for democratic governance there. It seems particularly relevant today (you can also point to public frustration in 2009 that no one was seemingly being held accountable for the greed that fueled the Great Recession as another key inflection point for support for an autocratic alternative in the USA).
WaynetheDrain
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Must be where Ramrouser got his law degree.So, a law student was unaware that assaulting an officer might have consequences that would keep him from pursuing a legal career?
I guess they teach that in second semester?
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Well that's just Kellyanne showing off some of her famous "alternative facts." Pearl Harbor was an act of war by a foreign empire. 9/11 was an act of terrorism by foreign jihadists. January 6 was an act of insurrection by thousands of US citizens devoted to the then-and-soon-to-be-again president of the United States, acting to carry out what he had just asked them to do in a speech given a mile or so away from the Capitol. All three were horrible in their own way. They don't need to be compared.
What you and Kellyanne have committed is what most first year law students learn as a category mistake, or a distributive fallacy. It would kind of be the same as me asserting that all Mercer Law grads are ethically compromised and opposed to the rule of law just because you are.
What you and Kellyanne have committed is what most first year law students learn as a category mistake, or a distributive fallacy. It would kind of be the same as me asserting that all Mercer Law grads are ethically compromised and opposed to the rule of law just because you are.
StrangePackage
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Treason's Greetings to you as well
JCTarheel82
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By whom and for what should they be investigated? Be specific.
MOUNTAINH33L
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Rimrouser is on the side of the J6 traitors. Fucking pathetic.
lawtig02
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It's understandable. His paycheck is signed by a 2020 insurrectionist.
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No one argues that SOME of the protestors on J6 got out of hand and attacked police. Same for the ones who vandalized property. Those people should be punished. But 99% of the people in the Capital, and on the grounds, were peaceful and respectful. The Dems and the media, however, insist upon labeling all of them (and Republicans who voted for Trump) insurrectionists.
In 2020, ya'll and the media went out of your way to piously instruct the rest of us that most of the George Floyd/BLM rioters were "peaceful" and that a few knuckle heads or "outside agitators" shouldn't diminish the protest. My Atlanta mayor said these folks simply needed to "let off some steam." I also don't recall this board calling for the Palestinian "protestors" who converged on the US Capitol and in the rotunda interrupting Congressional proceedings to be arrested. Cops were attacked during that protest as well.
J6 was a bad day no question. I just don't think it was the existential "threat to our democracy" that some claim.
In 2020, ya'll and the media went out of your way to piously instruct the rest of us that most of the George Floyd/BLM rioters were "peaceful" and that a few knuckle heads or "outside agitators" shouldn't diminish the protest. My Atlanta mayor said these folks simply needed to "let off some steam." I also don't recall this board calling for the Palestinian "protestors" who converged on the US Capitol and in the rotunda interrupting Congressional proceedings to be arrested. Cops were attacked during that protest as well.
J6 was a bad day no question. I just don't think it was the existential "threat to our democracy" that some claim.
That stance would have some validity if it weren't organized by the losing political party of an election trying to steal what they couldn't win. This was not a spontaneous event. It was the result of weeks of planning and orchestrated by the losing administration.
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Fact Check for Ramrouser --
No pro-Palestinian protestors entered the Capitol or the rotunda illegally. The few pro-Palestinian protestors who entered the building waited in line and were admitted after an appropriate security screening. The even fewer who became disruptive were promptly removed by Capitol police. Legislative proceedings were not disrupted, and there was no violence or weapons of any nature.
www.pbs.org
No pro-Palestinian protestors entered the Capitol or the rotunda illegally. The few pro-Palestinian protestors who entered the building waited in line and were admitted after an appropriate security screening. The even fewer who became disruptive were promptly removed by Capitol police. Legislative proceedings were not disrupted, and there was no violence or weapons of any nature.
Thousands of protestors outside the Capitol denounce Israel's war in Gaza as Netanyahu visits
Throngs of demonstrators rallied near the Capitol before starting their march ahead of Netanyahu's joint address to Congress, but police blocked them from getting close to the building. Police said they used pepper spray after some protesters became “violent” and “failed to obey” orders to move...
www.pbs.org
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True. Or at least it was not the main part of it. Things like what Ray Smith did in Georgia were much more directly related to the coup attempt.
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J6 Succeeded:
"...We are accustomed to repeating now that Trump’s coalition is fragile or that there are intrinsic weaknesses in his governing style. True so far as it goes, but how fragile is a coalition that reformed and expanded after he attempted to overthrow the U.S. government? And how weak is someone who managed to suffuse the atmosphere with a sense of total credulity about himself and total cynicism about his opponents?
This is an attitude now shared even among those who do not consider themselves his supporters. There is now a process of retrospective legitimation, as if the vote somehow wipes the slate clean, and makes lies the truth.
There is a kind of spiritual Gleichsaltung going on: Trump is now the man and to continue one’s criticism forcefully makes you a sad deadender. Resistance liberalism is turning into Vichy liberalism and the NeverTrumpers suddenly discover they were AlwaysTrumpers.
Some of that can be blamed on the failure of the media or the opposition party, but some credit has to be given to Trump himself. The great insult comic has landed his jibes: he has embarrassed the opposition, he has humiliated them. They are forced to laugh along now or look like spoilsports.
Looking back in the 1960s, the Italian socialist Pietro Nenni remarked, “Everyone in Italy agreed in not taking Fascism seriously.” Not being taken seriously is probably the thing that helps Trump the most, on the one hand, it drives him, it torments him and everything he does can be read as a demand to be taken seriously, but it is also his greatest political gift and strength, it allows him to glide.
On January 6th Trump successfully broke the system: there is no neutral, recognized arbiter of the law and the constitutional order, there is just raw politics. That does not mean he will necessarily prevail in every political contest, but he should never be seen as the underdog. His political skills should not be underestimated. His appetite for risk has been rewarded. Why would he not be emboldened to try other desperate stratagems since he’s faced no repercussions thus far?"
"...We are accustomed to repeating now that Trump’s coalition is fragile or that there are intrinsic weaknesses in his governing style. True so far as it goes, but how fragile is a coalition that reformed and expanded after he attempted to overthrow the U.S. government? And how weak is someone who managed to suffuse the atmosphere with a sense of total credulity about himself and total cynicism about his opponents?
This is an attitude now shared even among those who do not consider themselves his supporters. There is now a process of retrospective legitimation, as if the vote somehow wipes the slate clean, and makes lies the truth.
There is a kind of spiritual Gleichsaltung going on: Trump is now the man and to continue one’s criticism forcefully makes you a sad deadender. Resistance liberalism is turning into Vichy liberalism and the NeverTrumpers suddenly discover they were AlwaysTrumpers.
Some of that can be blamed on the failure of the media or the opposition party, but some credit has to be given to Trump himself. The great insult comic has landed his jibes: he has embarrassed the opposition, he has humiliated them. They are forced to laugh along now or look like spoilsports.
Looking back in the 1960s, the Italian socialist Pietro Nenni remarked, “Everyone in Italy agreed in not taking Fascism seriously.” Not being taken seriously is probably the thing that helps Trump the most, on the one hand, it drives him, it torments him and everything he does can be read as a demand to be taken seriously, but it is also his greatest political gift and strength, it allows him to glide.
On January 6th Trump successfully broke the system: there is no neutral, recognized arbiter of the law and the constitutional order, there is just raw politics. That does not mean he will necessarily prevail in every political contest, but he should never be seen as the underdog. His political skills should not be underestimated. His appetite for risk has been rewarded. Why would he not be emboldened to try other desperate stratagems since he’s faced no repercussions thus far?"