Joe Biden Was NOT running the country

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hedge said:
Speaking of getting thumped, Trump lost to Biden by 7 million in the popular vote, Kamala lost to Trump by 2 million. The electoral count was basically the same. By your logic, in 2020 Biden must've been one of the greatest candidates of all time and Trump one of the worst. Right?
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By my logic, Trump got thumped in 2020. And he did. Kamala lost every swing state to Trump. Trump lost every swing state save North Carolina to Biden.
 
superrific said:
This is not "a case;" this is a fact. The empirical evidence is overwhelming.
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The empirical evidence shows that we need a more robust guest worker program, not that we need to condone entering the country illegally. There is no excuse for sneaking into the country and hiding for weeks or months and then suddenly deciding to "claim asylum" when caught. Anyone who does, and I don't give two shits if I can't get all the strawberries I want at the store, need to be booted.
 
a modest proposal to edit the Statue of Liberty inscription :

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

And whether 'illegal' or legal there is no moral distinction for me "
 
ZenMode said:
The empirical evidence shows that we need a more robust guest worker program, not that we need to condone entering the country illegally. There is no excuse for sneaking into the country and hiding for weeks or months and then suddenly deciding to "claim asylum" when caught. Anyone who does, and I don't give two shits if I can't get all the strawberries I want at the store, need to be booted.
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But that's not what the people you support are doing. Instead of separating the wheat from the chaff, they use any excuse they can manufacture to keep immigrants out (unless they are white or rich enough to make up for not being white.) There's no other reason I can think of that justifies South African whites becoming a priority. If anything should be decided on a case by case basis, that's a prime example. If a white person is struggling in South Africa, there should be a clearly visible cause. If they're a victim ,give them relief. If they are just worthless POS race hustlers, leave them over there. There's already a glut on the market and ours come in rainbow colors.
 
superrific said:
Or we could stop being racist pieces of shit and welcome the workers as residents and eventually citizens. Human capital is one of the most important economic assets, if not THE most important, and mooks like you sabotage it at every turn.
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The US has similar laws as every other country in the world. I guess everyone is racist.
 
heelinhell said:
anecdote that makes an interesting contrast in work ethic...

My beach house needed some repair and remodeling. The contractor I hired had an all white crew. The crew would arrive at 9 am, take 10 minute smoke breaks every half hour or so , take a one hour lunch break and leave at 4 pm... and the crew only worked until noon on Fridays. The job they did was ok with only a few quibbles on my part.

Fast forward to painting my primary residence in Carrboro. I hired an Hispanic contractor who had an all Hispanic crew. The crew would arrive shortly before sunrise and wait patiently until daylight. They took no breaks, took a half hour lunch, and worked until dark. The job they did was the envy of my neighborhood and our house did not need painting for another 12 years ( actually it still looked pretty good 12 years after but the missus insisted:rolleyes: )
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the guy who just did my new flooring is latino. unbelievably good work. fast and really reasonably priced. he's doing a remodel of my downstairs this fall.

anywho, when he initially came to my house in early april to look at the job and give me an estimate i asked him where he was from a time or two and he kind of ignored/evaded the question until finally my client/friend who was there and referred him told him "you can tell them where you're from, they aren't maga and aren't going to be shitty to you or try to get you deported!" we all had a good laugh. he's from mexico.
 
ZenMode said:
Ah yes.... when all else fails, play the race card because, you know, wanting to know who's coming into your country is racist.

Simpleton.
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Playing the race card covers virtually every immigration law ever enacted in the US. We got along fine without them until Chinese women started coming and the powers that be decided they didn't want to encourage the establishment of a breeding population. I'd have to check but I'm almost sure that those powers that be were white Christian males. The only thing that has really changed is that in the 30s and 40s, Italians and Irish started being treated more like white people as well. It used to be just Northern Europeans and even the French were suspect.
 
finesse said:
Playing the race card covers virtually every immigration law ever enacted in the US. We got along fine without them until Chinese women started coming and the powers that be decided they didn't want to encourage the establishment of a breeding population. I'd have to check but I'm almost sure that those powers that be were white Christian males. The only thing that has really changed is that in the 30s and 40s, Italians and Irish started being treated more like white people as well. It used to be just Northern Europeans and even the French were suspect.
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Like I said, apparently wanting to know who's coming into the country is racist....:rolleyes:
 
Hammertime said:


If those who COULD work WOULD work we may not need 20 million immigrants to fill jobs.


But... you know... requiring able bodied individuals to get off of Medicaid would be... you know.... RAYYYYCCCEEEESSSSSTTTTT....
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In a country where math and an expectation of being on time is racist, there are truly no limits.
 
Hammertime said:


If those who COULD work WOULD work we may not need 20 million immigrants to fill jobs.


But... you know... requiring able bodied individuals to get off of Medicaid would be... you know.... RAYYYYCCCEEEESSSSSTTTTT....
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So you're saying that nearly all "able bodied" people on Medicaid have black or brown skin? That's not a racist statement at all. At least 40% of the people on Medicaid are white, dude.
 
Hammertime said:
Funny how every single one of you that speak of immigrants refer to them as doing menial labor tasks.

Is that all they are good for?

Planting your flowers? Painting your homes? Changing out bedpans?

Again... the self-loathing and condescending attitudes of the left elected Donald Trump and looks like will keep the GOP in power in the midterms.
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So your party is the one trying to deport darker-skinned immigrants (while eagerly taking in white South Africans, btw) - and just locking up college students like the one who was accidentally arrested for making a wrong left turn in Georgia, then imprisoned and her whole family may be deported - but it's the Democrats who are somehow anti-immigrant? Nice use of logic, there, dude.
 
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