Many Americans Say the Democratic Party Does Not Share Their Priorities

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For one thing, I think only two prisoners have had a federally funded reassignment surgery. Just another case of much ado about nothing. Oh, these were court ordered surgery.
Goes to show the power and efficacy of right wing media and advertising. I expect my MAGA family members with high school educations to believe shit about transgender surgeries on people in prison. I don’t expect people with multiple degrees from places like UNC to swallow it so eagerly.
 
I don't think either of those statements is wrong. Well, the pure folly part might be too strong, but in theory both ideas are laudable.

In practice, it hasn't been working that way for a long time -- at least that's my experience. There's an assumption in there that people want to form common bonds with their fellow man, and that they have been deceived by right-wing divide-and-conquer media. While that's not wholly wrong, it's incomplete. There are plenty of people, especially in the South, still fighting the Civil War in their minds, or at least Jim Crow. They like punching down.
“People need to be convinced” is a phrase/statement that galls me.

It’s likely semantics; but, “people need to be convinced” isn’t an inviting statement.
 
Sure, blame the voters - that’ll help!

Trump did exactly what he should have done on social issues to win the election: hammered the opposition on their least popular stances. The one that was most effective of all was the taxpayer funded sex changes for prisoners. That put the ball in the Democrats’ court and instead of saying she did not support such a thing, Harris went silent on it. Why she stayed silent is anyone’s guess but at least part of the reason is that a good chunk of her party supports that nonsense. Hence the issue Dems currently have.
So your answer to voters saying that Dems were “placing too much emphasis on social issues that they consider less urgent” is to say that Dems in fact should have talked more about social issues?
 
So why are you getting so worked up about it? Your team is more addicted to symbolic PR bullshit than anyone. Gulf of America. Fort Bragg. I mean, STFU.

You broke the country because you are mad about what you now admit to be symbolic PR material. Great fucking job. And then you wonder why we see you as hateful morons. You are indisputably hateful or moronic, because there is no other explanation for doing what you have done. Probably both.
Lol.. a poster asked a question and I offered an opinion. That's not getting "worked up".
I'm not mad about anything and they're not "my team" so I'm not "hateful " or "moronic" about anything.
You go from zero to hyperbolic asshole in nothing flat.

Hmm . Superific.. Super Ignore?
Coincidence ?
 
I'm not mad about anything and they're not "my team" so I'm not "hateful " or "moronic" about anything.
In what way are they not your team? Have you been a secret liberal all this time, posting nothing but conservative stuff? Gleefully at times?

And your post about "stop digging" and "bought and paid for" is triumphalist bullshit in a time where that is wholly inappropriate. The country is literally burning.

Super ignore me if you want. It's not as if you learn anything anyway. You're just the same guy posting the same shit all the fucking time.
 
I do. Remember the election isn’t decided by what the majority of Trump voters want but what the majority of low-information swing voters want.

And for them, it is almost always the economy.
What's the excuse for the 45% of voters who aren't swing voters but are voting for this bullshit? And I'm sorry, I'm not going to accept this "it's the economy" conclusion when there is absolutely no objective evidence for that.
 
So your answer to voters saying that Dems were “placing too much emphasis on social issues that they consider less urgent” is to say that Dems in fact should have talked more about social issues?
You gotta play defense in politics, too.

HY is right on this one. When I saw that Kamala is for “they/them” Trump is for you commercial, I knew it was a great political ad. Trump ran that ad nonstop in swing states and Kamala barely said anything. She should have pulled a Jd Vance and renounced everything she said before 2021, but instead she let that ad ruin her.
 
She should have pulled a Jd Vance and renounced everything she said before 2021, but instead she let that ad ruin her.
Wouldn't have done anything. Because while it was a great ad, read between the lines. "They/them" isn't actually about trans people, any more than Kristi Noem's story of shooting her dog was about the dog.
 
What's the excuse for the 45% of voters who aren't swing voters but are voting for this bullshit? And I'm sorry, I'm not going to accept this "it's the economy" conclusion when there is absolutely no objective evidence for that.
Who cares about them? They don’t decide elections any more than the Superrifics of the world who will never vote for a Republican.

Elections are about the 10% of the electorate that are actually persuadable to either side. Almost all of those people are low information voters. And they are the ones who decide elections
 
You gotta play defense in politics, too.

HY is right on this one. When I saw that Kamala is for “they/them” Trump is for you commercial, I knew it was a great political ad. Trump ran that ad nonstop in swing states and Kamala barely said anything. She should have pulled a Jd Vance and renounced everything she said before 2021, but instead she let that ad ruin her.
Im not necessarily disagreeing with that. Im saying it’s a weird thing to say in response to the premise that voters supposedly want Dems to talk about economic issues, not social issues. I’ve been very clear that I don’t believe voters actually mean that.
 
Wouldn't have done anything. Because while it was a great ad, read between the lines. "They/them" isn't actually about trans people, any more than Kristi Noem's story of shooting her dog was about the dog.
She needed to respond. Ignoring it was the worst strategy. And HY may be right that the reason Kamala didn’t respond is because she didn’t want to ruffle any feathers on the left.
 
Who cares about them? They don’t decide elections any more than the Superrifics of the world who will never vote for a Republican.

Elections are about the 10% of the electorate that are actually persuadable to either side. Almost all of those people are low information voters. And they are the ones who decide elections
I don't know if we are talking about the same things. I'm not only talking about the 2024 election, but even there I don't think you're right.

There's no reason that the MAGA idiots had to back Trump. They could have stayed at home like a lot of Dem constituencies. Instead they ran to the polls with glee to smear their poop around the whole world.

Or to put it differently: if 5% of the MAGAs had any fucking common sense at all, Trump would have lost.
 
She needed to respond. Ignoring it was the worst strategy. And HY may be right that the reason Kamala didn’t respond is because she didn’t want to ruffle any feathers on the left.
I agree it was a very effective ad. I also agree Kamala’s response to it (or lack thereof) was terrible. But the idea that the BOP must provide gender affirming care is not “nonsense.” It’s the law. As Trump’s own administration affirmed.
 
You gotta play defense in politics, too.

HY is right on this one. When I saw that Kamala is for “they/them” Trump is for you commercial, I knew it was a great political ad. Trump ran that ad nonstop in swing states and Kamala barely said anything. She should have pulled a Jd Vance and renounced everything she said before 2021, but instead she let that ad ruin her.
Nobody on here said it wasn’t an effective ad or an effective line of attack. What we are saying is that it is the *Republican Party* who is bizarrely obsessed with transgender people, not the Democratic Party. Look at the couple of Trump voter posters we have here- it’s quite literally all a couple of them talk about.

And anyway once that ad came out, what on earth was Kamala supposed to say? “Actually no we don’t support sex change surgeries on prison inmates, oh and by the way it was actually under the Trump administration where this policy was put in place”? Yeah, I’m sure so many of the people who would believe the Trump ad would also believe the Kamala rebuttal.

Republicans win on the transgender issue because there’s literally no effective defense that can be mounted by the Democrats other than stone cold silence on it. But stone cold silence on the issue causes the Democrats to be in between a rock and a hard place; they either lose the election because they lose moderates, or they lose the election because they lose progressives AND don’t actually sway any moderate voters anyway.
 
She needed to respond. Ignoring it was the worst strategy. And HY may be right that the reason Kamala didn’t respond is because she didn’t want to ruffle any feathers on the left.
Kamala didn't respond because she didn't want to talk about that issue, which makes sense. I'm no political operative. I don't know whether "ignoring it was the worst strategy." I don't know that anyone knows that.

I just fail to see how Kamala disavowing that would have reached the low-info voters you say decided the election. And since the GOP campaign was truth-free, it's not as if anyone would accept the disavowal any way. And yeah, Kamala was struggling with the left because of Gaza, so she decided the best course of action was to refocus attention on where everyone agrees. It didn't work, because "threat to democracy" didn't resonate and the XX strategy playing on abortion rights turned out to be a dud.

If it were me, I would not have put so many eggs in the "women will vote for us because abortion" as that theory has never proven true. I said as much at the time. It's just not the most important issue for lots of women. But again, I'm no political operative, and it's easy as fuck to sit here on a message board and say, "they should do X, they should do Y"
 
In what way are they not your team? Have you been a secret liberal all this time, posting nothing but conservative stuff? Gleefully at times?

And your post about "stop digging" and "bought and paid for" is triumphalist bullshit in a time where that is wholly inappropriate. The country is literally burning.

Super ignore me if you want. It's not as if you learn anything anyway. You're just the same guy posting the same shit all the fucking time.
Ironically I first heard the "stop digging " phrase when John Kerry used it against W in the 2004 campaign. You're the poster child for the frantic "sky is falling" partisan. The country is literally burning?? Seriously? Maybe part of a county in LA..
I'm done with you.
 
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