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I think you can pretty clearly trace western political conservatism back as far as, at least, the French Revolution and those who wanted to maintain (and later, return to) the Ancien Regime or, at least, some form of absolute monarchy. But I also think that Buckley could be credited with the creation of a peculiar strain of "modern American conservatism" (or perhaps you could say "liberal conservatism" or "constitutional conservatism" to your point) that still preached the value of traditional institutions but did so in the context of the liberal political framework of the constitution. In other words, he essentially cast the Constitution (which was certainly not a conservative document at the time of its drafting) as the framework for the protection of classic conservative values.
Oh yes, Buckley pioneered his own strain of conservatism without a doubt. I take issue with people who seem to think he somehow invented the conservative ideology though, which I’ve seen in some discussions lately (not here). It often seems to come from people who ID as conservatives and want to distance themselves from the right-wing populism of Trump and others. They should just call themselves liberals at this point.
 
Executive order abuse has gotten totally out of control. Obama did it too much but the practice that is in place now is totally insane. Trump just signing things into effect is insanity.
The Emancipation Proclamation was probably the biggest executive overreach in US history, but we are pretty OK with it now.
 
The Emancipation Proclamation was probably the biggest executive overreach in US history, but we are pretty OK with it now.
That fits nicely in the broad category of war powers/state of emergency executive overreach, which I agree is necessary, but rife for abuse. One of the reasons all the emergencies Trump declared yesterday concern me.
 

Trump's mass deportation plan could drain more than $20 billion a year from Social Security

That’s not good. I think Trump was hoping to raid SS so he and his uber-rich buddies could get another tax break. Now where will he get those funds from? I suppose we will just add it to the deficit.
 
Executive order abuse has gotten totally out of control. Obama did it too much but the practice that is in place now is totally insane. Trump just signing things into effect is insanity.
Obama signed the fewest executive orders per days in office compared to any president who came after Grover Cleveland, who left office in 1897.
 
There are some that think conservatism started with Buckley, but I think that’s hogwash honestly.
“I am obliged to confess I should sooner live in a society governed by the first two thousand names in the Boston telephone directory than in a society governed by the two thousand faculty members of Harvard University.”
— William F. Buckley, National Review Mission Statement, November 19, 1955

“A conservative is someone who stands athwart history, yelling Stop, at a time when no one is inclined to do so, or to have much patience with those who so urge it.”
William F. Buckley
 
What is your definition? Same question for lawtig.
Are you trying to facilitate some type of debate as to whether the republican party or democratic party more closely represents political conservatism? not sure what the goal is? Who represents the parties? ZZL posters?
 
I am missing the joke(??)
Not to dismiss the tasteless attempt at humor, but I believe OGtruthurts was responding to callatoroy’s comment “Then you don't know what the definition of political conservative is.” which Kingpin had quoted in the previous post.
 
“I am obliged to confess I should sooner live in a society governed by the first two thousand names in the Boston telephone directory than in a society governed by the two thousand faculty members of Harvard University.”
— William F. Buckley, National Review Mission Statement, November 19, 1955

“A conservative is someone who stands athwart history, yelling Stop, at a time when no one is inclined to do so, or to have much patience with those who so urge it.”
William F. Buckley
Those are interesting quotes, since I have thought many, many times that I would gladly vote for a random person drawn from the 315 million Americans to be our president over Donald Trump.
 
Are you trying to facilitate some type of debate as to whether the republican party or democratic party more closely represents political conservatism? not sure what the goal is? Who represents the parties? ZZL posters?
I think he’s just asking you to define what it means to be a conservative. Maybe that’s hard after the enormous expansion and consolidated of federal power, at the expense of personal liberties, that has happened over the last couple of days?
 
Those are interesting quotes, since I have thought many, many times that I would gladly vote for a random person drawn from the 315 million Americans to be our president over Donald Trump.
Yep, it comes across as very populist...
 
I think he’s just asking you to define what it means to be a conservative. Maybe that’s hard after the enormous expansion and consolidated of federal power, at the expense of personal liberties, that has happened over the last couple of days?
By the way, I still think you’re much smarter than the typical right winger who posts here. At some point soon, you’re going to snap out of it and realize what an absolute shitshow you’ve been JCDing.
 
Those are interesting quotes, since I have thought many, many times that I would gladly vote for a random person drawn from the 315 million Americans to be our president over Donald Trump.
I'm genuinely perplexed by your change in my perceived level of radicalization of your comments about trump over the last several months (since the election). Is it you hate the man? You hate his agenda? You hate both? Do you hate the man more than the agenda or vice versa? While your comments gave a clear picture that you didn't like trump, they were far more tame. Did you believe kamala was going to win and you wouldn't be faced with the current reality? There could be discussion without it getting sidetracked by trump hatred. He didn't get between the differences on policy.
 
I'm genuinely perplexed by your change in my perceived level of radicalization of your comments about trump over the last several months (since the election). Is it you hate the man? You hate his agenda? You hate both? Do you hate the man more than the agenda or vice versa? While your comments gave a clear picture that you didn't like trump, they were far more tame. Did you believe kamala was going to win and you wouldn't be faced with the current reality? There could be discussion without it getting sidetracked by trump hatred. He didn't get between the differences on policy.
1. I have thought Trump is one of the worst humans on the face of the planet since long before he was a serious candidate for president. I see him as the absolute antithesis of everything my faith teaches me is desirable. Or, to bring it closer to home, he’s the opposite of what I want my son to be.

2. Trump is BY FAR the biggest reason I left the Republican Party. I literally cannot imagine supporting a party that embraces him.

3. There is no conservative “agenda” being discussed in the US today. MAGA is about as far from conservative as you can get. It’s at the place where anarchism, religious nationalism, and fascism meet. Dems have embraced a lot of conservatism, but there’s no true conservative policy discussion to be had. And that’s almost entirely because Trump has hijacked it.
 
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Are you trying to facilitate some type of debate as to whether the republican party or democratic party more closely represents political conservatism? not sure what the goal is? Who represents the parties? ZZL posters?
You accused lawtig, a life-long conservative, and a Republican until Trump, of not understanding what conservatism is.

It strikes me as only fair that you either offer up your definition or, after he gave his definition, which he has, of explaining what, about his definition, is incorrect.

In order for us to function as a society, or at least as a message board, we should all understand what each other means when they use terminology, even if we disagree about those definitions.
 
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