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Mass Deportation - Planning underway— Tom Homan to be “Border Czar”
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CFordUNC
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Throw away the key, and nuke it for good measure.
MOUNTAINH33L
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Best news I've heard all day.
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Ohhh boy
BlooVooDoo
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It is good. It’s also a great example of how quickly the wheels of Justice are capable of moving when the defendant isn’t allowed to delay trial for several years.
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Apparently his defense requested a bench trial to avoid the new DA coming in who likely would have made it a death penalty case. Also felt that their defense was on having some evidence suppressed (which wasn't), but that they will argue against that on appeal so better to get on to the appeal phase.
Mulberry Heel
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Is this the same bill that will force the state to increase the amount given to school vouchers by a whopping $2 billion over the next few years? They're literally financially starving our public schools to death, and the great bulk of the public doesn't seem to either know or care. And the vouchers will go to anybody - including even wealthy parents - and there is little to no oversight or regulation as to how the money will be spent. These are dark, dark days for American public education, including here in NC.
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Bet you an immigration bill gets passed, that the pace of deportations slows down after a short period of time, and they will find a way to document people to avoid a labor shortage.
CFordUNC
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My hope as it pertains to immigration is that the administration will deport the folks who are already slated for deportation and call it a win, and will then expend significant resources beefing up border patrol personnel, technological means of securing the border, and more immigration/asylum/work visa processing personnel. I won't agree with any needlessly cruel or inhumane methods, and I won't appreciate any performative political theater, but if Trump 2.0 figures out a way to solve (or make a lot of progress toward solving) our immigration issues, I'll happily tip my cap. It's obviously well-documented how much I don't approve of Trump as a person or as a leader, but as I keep saying, I am sincerely hoping that some good comes out of his second administration. I'm going to choose to look on the bright side until or unless given reason otherwise.
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I hope overall that you are correct and this all turns out to be more performative shock and awe deportation of low-hanging fruit (actual criminals) than a genuine plan to actually build internment camps etc.
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Oh there will be some human pain and this board will go insane with "separating kids from families" and "putting kids in cages" and trying to undo all the bad the biden administration caused. One of the absolute worst is the turning a blind eye to the devastation and horror imparted on kids due to cartels while this board pretended all along that there is no crisis at the border and the right is just making shit up and its all good. Several went as far as to say the right was blowing the issue way out of proportion and nobody cares about the border except maga because they are racist. Of course they will be the very first hypocrites to scream when the left's media, who has misled them every step of the way, tries to portray trump as evil for cleaning up the mess. All of a sudden, the plight of immigrant kids will zoom to the top of their hypocritical, faux moral outrage, list of trump failures.
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It could be difficult to get an immigration bill passed, even with Republican control of congress given the drama over the last attempt. MAGA voters want Trump to deliver on his promise to deport millions and the majorities are very slim. I could see a handful of senators and representatives balking because a bill doesn’t go far enough and some balking because it goes too far.
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If we’re going to move in a forward direction in the next decade we need this to hurt the people who voted for it.
Bring on the camps. Bring on the tariffs. Bring on the end of the Department of Education.
Oh, that's all true and you're either foolish or fiendish.
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Could you help us understand how sending immigrant kids back to Mexico better protects them from the cartels that control large parts of Mexico? Thanks in advance.
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Yea
But we won't-just scary made up crap
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Gift Link —> Opinion | Don’t Do Trump’s Work for Him on Mass Deportations
“… Understand, first of all, that no change is needed to U.S. law to start the deportation process for every unauthorized immigrant in the United States. Being in the country without proper immigration status is a civil violation, and deportation is considered the civil penalty for it. Just as he did during his first term, Mr. Trump will almost certainly issue guidance to Immigration and Customs Enforcement that every unauthorized immigrant is fair game for arrest, and that deportable immigrants who happen to get caught up by ICE, even if agents aren’t specifically looking for that person, could also be detained.
ICE agents already have authority to conduct enforcement in residential and commercial areas; the reason they usually haven’t (even under Mr. Trump) is because those raids take a lot of planning for the frequently low numbers of people they actually nab. It requires far less effort to simply pick up immigrants from local jails, which is why ICE tends to prefer working with local law enforcement. Since some local police are more willing to cooperate than others, this makes deportation risk a matter of geography.
But the arrest of immigrants isn’t the same as their removal.
For most immigrants — those who haven’t been apprehended shortly after their arrival — deportation isn’t a quick process. It generally entails the right to a hearing before an immigration judge, to prove that the immigrants lack legal status and that they can’t apply for relief (such as asylum). In the meantime, they’re either released on supervision or held in immigration detention.
… In fiscal year 2024, Congress gave ICE the money for 41,500 detention beds. This is insufficient for anything that would constitute mass deportation. Extra holding facilities can be spun up as needed, but not immediately — and at higher cost (because of, say, noncompetitive contractor bids) than building a detention facility the usual way.
Immigration courts are famously backlogged, not least because that’s where asylum-seekers end up to present their cases. …
As of the end of September, 3.7 million people were waiting for their claims to be resolved. This includes an overwhelming majority of the recent border crossers whose arrival under President Biden so incensed Mr. Trump and his allies. They can try to rush their court cases through faster (though they’ll need people, meaning money, to do it), but there’s not much juice to squeeze in rounding up people who are already, legally speaking, in deportation proceedings. …”
Don’t Do Trump’s Work for Him on Mass Deportations
“… Understand, first of all, that no change is needed to U.S. law to start the deportation process for every unauthorized immigrant in the United States. Being in the country without proper immigration status is a civil violation, and deportation is considered the civil penalty for it. Just as he did during his first term, Mr. Trump will almost certainly issue guidance to Immigration and Customs Enforcement that every unauthorized immigrant is fair game for arrest, and that deportable immigrants who happen to get caught up by ICE, even if agents aren’t specifically looking for that person, could also be detained.
ICE agents already have authority to conduct enforcement in residential and commercial areas; the reason they usually haven’t (even under Mr. Trump) is because those raids take a lot of planning for the frequently low numbers of people they actually nab. It requires far less effort to simply pick up immigrants from local jails, which is why ICE tends to prefer working with local law enforcement. Since some local police are more willing to cooperate than others, this makes deportation risk a matter of geography.
But the arrest of immigrants isn’t the same as their removal.
For most immigrants — those who haven’t been apprehended shortly after their arrival — deportation isn’t a quick process. It generally entails the right to a hearing before an immigration judge, to prove that the immigrants lack legal status and that they can’t apply for relief (such as asylum). In the meantime, they’re either released on supervision or held in immigration detention.
… In fiscal year 2024, Congress gave ICE the money for 41,500 detention beds. This is insufficient for anything that would constitute mass deportation. Extra holding facilities can be spun up as needed, but not immediately — and at higher cost (because of, say, noncompetitive contractor bids) than building a detention facility the usual way.
Immigration courts are famously backlogged, not least because that’s where asylum-seekers end up to present their cases. …
As of the end of September, 3.7 million people were waiting for their claims to be resolved. This includes an overwhelming majority of the recent border crossers whose arrival under President Biden so incensed Mr. Trump and his allies. They can try to rush their court cases through faster (though they’ll need people, meaning money, to do it), but there’s not much juice to squeeze in rounding up people who are already, legally speaking, in deportation proceedings. …”