Matt Gaetz Catch-All | Ethics report released

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Rock said:
That graphic. Holy lord. The next four years are going to suck.
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Whether they ever admit it or not, a plurality of American voters this time around have voted to install a Russian-style kleptocracy at the heart of the federal government. And with the main architect of Project 2025 being placed in charge of the national budget, I think every welfare and social safety net program right up to Social Security is on the chopping block, and likely in very drastic ways. And they'll start as soon as they take office on January 20. It'll be like FDR's famous "Hundred Days" in 1933 of passing massive amounts of New Deal legislation, except this time it will be in reverse - they're going to cut or eliminate as much of it as possible.

And given that this what most people voted for, let them have it. We're all going to suffer, but I've become convinced that the only way this madness ends is for his voters and people sitting on the sidelines (like the 6 million or so Democrats who voted for Biden but didn't turn out for Kamala) to directly experience and see for themselves the effects of what they're about to do. All we've heard from Trumpers since his first election in 2016 is that things won't really get that bad, either with attempts to overturn democracy or with putting clowns in charge of the economy and government, so we're about to see if they're right. I don't think they are, at all, but this is what they voted for, so have at it.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Whether they ever admit it or not, a plurality of American voters this time around have voted to install a Russian-style kleptocracy at the heart of the federal government. And with the main architect of Project 2025 being placed in charge of the national budget, I think every welfare and social safety net program right up to Social Security is on the chopping block, and likely in very drastic ways. And they'll start as soon as they take office on January 20. It'll be like FDR's famous "Hundred Days" in 1933 of passing massive amounts of New Deal legislation, except this time it will be in reverse - they're going to cut or eliminate as much of it as possible.

And given that this what most people voted for, let them have it. We're all going to suffer, but I've become convinced that the only way this madness ends is for his voters and people sitting on the sidelines (like the 6 million or so Democrats who voted for Biden but didn't turn out for Kamala) to directly experience and see for themselves the effects of what they're about to do. All we've heard from Trumpers since his first election in 2016 is that things won't really get that bad, either with attempts to overturn democracy or with putting clowns in charge of the economy and government, so we're about to see if they're right. I don't think they are, at all, but this is what they voted for, so have at it.
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And the Democrats in Congress need to stay out of the way and let it happen.
 
finesse said:
I have no use for those here only to spread propaganda and gloat. I'd welcome someone or everyone who are really willing to discuss numbers ,policies , achievements , goals and priorities. No conservatives have shown up willing to have an actual exchange of ideas. They're all into the Goebbels' big lie thing.

Eta: saw the post above after I posted this. Yes, we do have conservatives. I should have said Trump voters. My apologies.
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Trumplicans
 
altmin said:
And the Democrats in Congress need to stay out of the way and let it happen.
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They can't stop it anyway. In the House they'll just be outvoted and in the Senate if they try to filibuster there is no doubt in my mind that Senate Republicans will just abolish the filibuster. Republicans have gloated and made very clear since the election that the Democrats have no power in any branch of the government, so they'll just ram through pretty much whatever the hell they want.
 
Paine said:
Im definitely someone who never thinks Trump is playing 4D chess, but this whole debacle will likely make it easier for a slightly less tainted nominee to sail through.
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I’d bet at least one more of Hegseth, Gabbard, Kennedy withdraws on their own or is otherwise shut down. Might be two of them.
 
Trump is a smart motherfucker.

He knew Gaetz nomination would stir the shit storm that would end in his eventual withdrawal. So Gaetz took a deal to resign from congress, which would get him out of the jam with the ethics committee while taking the spotlight off all of Trumps other terrible nominees.

Gaetz was the sacrificial lamb.
 
HeelingAg said:
Genuinely, watch out for Paxton. His corruption is nearly as unrelenting as his racism and misogyny. He also has the “Teflon” descriptor. He’s a perfect kleptocratic authoritarian AG.
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The only thing about Paxton is he’s used to playing games in TX with a very friendly set of referees. I think he might find the wider scope and venues of DoJ a challenge. But he certainly is a vindictive SOB.
 
Yes, this isn't necessarily a good development. Gaetz' problems ran much deeper than personal ethics, and if Trump nominates a less-rapey version of Gaetz, we're going to be stuck in the same nightmare.

The GOP Senators are now acting as if they've cut one scalp, saved a tiny bit of dignity, and will now go back to slurping Trump. And that's just dangerous. Hegseth seems to be sailing, which is what is going to happen if we focus on the rape allegations and not on his manifest unfitness. Remember, they confirmed Kav to a lifetime appointment despite "unverified allegations" and they will do that here if we commit to this path.
 
dukeman92 said:
Trump is a smart motherfucker.

He knew Gaetz nomination would stir the shit storm that would end in his eventual withdrawal. So Gaetz took a deal to resign from congress, which would get him out of the jam with the ethics committee while taking the spotlight off all of Trumps other terrible nominees.

Gaetz was the sacrificial lamb.
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I think it is more he couldn't get the Senators to agree to recessing at Trump's will for appointments.
 
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