OMB freezes all disbursements / USAID shutdown / GOP begs for exceptions for their states

Paine said:
Eliminating the Department of Education is not going to play out like these ghouls think it will.
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Disagree. I think they know exactly how it will play, and don’t care. This is about consolidating unprecedented wealth, reinstituting white supremacy, and repressing opposition. They have the guns to eliminate any and all pushback and know the courts are all bark. In the short term, the poor magas might squeal, but in the long run the fascists will give them, effectively, Christian nationalist k-12 child care centers, and the maga will squeal no more. For the non-maga that raise a fuss, they’ll economically extort, and physically repressive, as needed.
 
superrific said:
Is it acceptable for me to hope that he slips in the shower, breaks his hip and dies in a puddle of his own feces?
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Depends on your personal moral compass, I suppose. From a board perspective, it doesn't rise to hoping for (or urging etc.) an assassin to commit a murder.
 
ZenMode said:
Well, the fact that you use the term cherry picked implies that you also are inclined to believe that the claims are true. The dollar amount is irrelevant when you're talking about spending taxpayer money.
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I don't know how you got to the term cherry-picked implying that I believe the claims. I am referring to the fact that the press secretary picked four purported individual grants that collectively account for like 0.01% of USAID's budget (which itself is less than 1% of the federal budget) which were doubtlessly selected because they seemed, to the people doing the selecting, like they could be characterized as the four craziest things done with USAID money. I do not trust in any way that the way in which Trump's secretary described those grants is completely accurate, and wouldn't be surprised if it isn't remotely accurate at all.

Anybody who thinks that $30k of USAID money going to fund a play in Ireland, or whatever the heck she's talking about, is a problem worth getting worked up about is an absolute fool. Candidly I couldn't care less what the play is about.
 
Paine said:
Eliminating the Department of Education is not going to play out like these ghouls think it will.
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I dunno. Conservatives have been trying to defund, undermine, and ultimately destroy public education for decades. That's a feature, not a bug.
 
nycfan said:
Depends on your personal moral compass, I suppose. From a board perspective, it doesn't rise to hoping for an assassin to commit a murder.
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That's a weird distinction. What about rooting for someone to break into Kennedy's house, pushes him down in the shower, robs the house and then Kennedy dies in a puddle of feces? Is that hoping for an assassination? Never mind, I won't belabor the point but you've committed yourself to an incoherent theoretical framework.
 
Paine said:
I’m fully aware. My point is: the average person hearing that Trump has eliminated the department of education is going to play a lot differently than the current dustup at USAID.
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What does the “average person” know of the DoE? The “average person” just put ttump into power, and now he’s doing exactly what he campaigned on. Most people in this country are too occupied with housing security and 50hr work weeks to have space to care/know who’s teaching their kids or what they’re teaching them. And those who do care are more likely to trend wealthier and will stick their kids in “non-profit” charter schools, just like the fascists hope.
 
Paine said:
You’re making my point for me. The average person doesn’t know about the inner workings of the Department of Education. They don’t know what they do, but they will feel the effects of its elimination. The headlines and narrative for the average person will be: Trump eliminates Department of Education. At a time when the public education system is already struggling badly. Easy messaging for the Democrats, IMO.
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agree with this.
 

Rupar mistagged this clip but what Trump is saying here is interesting, though not about Musk: Trump Says he wants to investigate cost overruns on California rail lines “I built for a living and I built on time on budget uh it’s impossible that something could cost that much …” [that rail project has been a nightmare, but also seems like Trump wants to stick it to California any way he can]

Clip with corrected description

 
Paine said:
You’re making my point for me. The average person doesn’t know about the inner workings of the Department of Education. They don’t know what they do, but they will feel the effects of its elimination. The headlines and narrative for the average person will be: Trump eliminates Department of Education. At a time when the public education system is already struggling badly. Easy messaging for the Democrats, IMO.
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No. Your claim is the elimination of DOE will hit differently, and is “not going to play out like these ghouls think it will.” It will, and they don’t care.

Materially, it won’t make a difference to ttump et al.; they will extort and buy-off compliance when and where needed.
 
rodoheel said:
I don't know how you got to the term cherry-picked implying that I believe the claims. I am referring to the fact that the press secretary picked four purported individual grants that collectively account for like 0.01% of USAID's budget (which itself is less than 1% of the federal budget) which were doubtlessly selected because they seemed, to the people doing the selecting, like they could be characterized as the four craziest things done with USAID money. I do not trust in any way that the way in which Trump's secretary described those grants is completely accurate, and wouldn't be surprised if it isn't remotely accurate at all.

Anybody who thinks that $30k of USAID money going to fund a play in Ireland, or whatever the heck she's talking about, is a problem worth getting worked up about is an absolute fool. Candidly I couldn't care less what the play is about.
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I posted about a dozen other wastes of taxpayer money. The percentage is irrelevant.

Waste is waste.
 
rodoheel said:
Why start with a premise of accepting what Trump's propaganda officer cherry-picked out of all USAID grants? Why not seek out the actual information? And most of the examples she picked were such small amounts of money in the grand scheme of things that picking on them is laughable.
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I agree its very small, but if true, it is an indication that some people at USAID are not being great stewards of tax-payer money. Its not nearly enough for me to want to end the program but its enough for me to want an investigation and if its true, hold people accountable for approving these programs.
 
It's not like all this saved money is going back into the public coffers. This money will go to Trump, Elon and company. MAGA will cheer it too. Take that, libs!
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I agree its very small, but if true, it is an indication that some people at USAID are not being great stewards of tax-payer money. Its not nearly enough for me to want to end the program but its enough for me to want an investigation and if its true, hold people accountable for approving these programs.
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Perhaps you can elaborate on (1) what the problem would be if the description of those programs is true (even though it's highly likely that the description is not entirely true), and (2) what you mean by "hold people accountable" in this context?
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I agree its very small, but if true, it is an indication that some people at USAID are not being great stewards of tax-payer money. Its not nearly enough for me to want to end the program but its enough for me to want an investigation and if its true, hold people accountable for approving these programs.
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It will be hard to investigate now that orangeturd has eliminated all Inspector Generals
 
rodoheel said:
Perhaps you can elaborate on (1) what the problem would be if the description of those programs is true (even though it's highly likely that the description is not entirely true), and (2) what you mean by "hold people accountable" in this context?
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gtyellowjacket said:
I agree its very small, but if true, it is an indication that some people at USAID are not being great stewards of tax-payer money. Its not nearly enough for me to want to end the program but its enough for me to want an investigation and if its true, hold people accountable for approving these programs.
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I bet I can find 5-10 ridiculous uses of taxpayer funds in the military - does that mean we should dismantle it?
 
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