OMB freezes all disbursements / USAID shutdown / GOP begs for exceptions for their states

I'm skeptical that the term d e i actually appears anywhere in the budget details. That aside, there's absolutely no reason for us to be funding comic books, musicals or really any social activism type of programs.
Considering the amount of discernment and knowledge you've shown, there's absolutely no reason to think that you have a clue or would understand one. When you're are trying to encourage other countries to see things in a more favorable light for the US, social activism is exactly what you're trying to achieve.

We might have different definitions but I don't have to be Procrustes to make mine work.
 
I don't necessarily believe that a large portion of the budget is waste, unnecessary or doesn't go toward helping people. We would probably disagree on what should or shouldn't be cut, but I am very curious to see what else is brought to light by Elon & Co.
Nothing that we've been talking about what "brought to light" by Elon. There's not some big secret. This is all public record.
 
I'm skeptical that the term DEI actually appears anywhere in the budget details. That aside, there's absolutely no reason for us to be funding comic books, musicals or really any social activism type of programs.
I'm gonna disagree with you on things like comic book and musicals. Again, you're refusing to acknowledge the impact that soft power can have - not just through diplomacy but through culture. Our country's biggest victory in the post-WWII world wasn't a military victory, it was a cultural one, where American culture became the dominant global one. The presence of McDonalds in dozens (hundreds?) of countries, and Disney World parks all over the world, and Hollywood films dubbed and shown in theaters worldwide, are as much signs of American power as aircraft carriers. It's really disappointing that having seen how effective American cultural power has been over the last few decades, Trump and the people around him are essentially willing to throw much of it away by trying to withdraw us from global culture and politics, rather than lead it.
 
Nothing that we've been talking about what "brought to light" by Elon. There's not some big secret. This is all public record.
I doubt most people spend time researching budget details for the many federal departments. This musical/comic book story is something right wing media would be all over if it was known.
 
I'm gonna disagree with you on things like comic book and musicals. Again, you're refusing to acknowledge the impact that soft power can have - not just through diplomacy but through culture. Our country's biggest victory in the post-WWII world wasn't a military victory, it was a cultural one, where American culture became the dominant global one. The presence of McDonalds in dozens (hundreds?) of countries, and Disney World parks all over the world, and Hollywood films dubbed and shown in theaters worldwide, are as much signs of American power as aircraft carriers. It's really disappointing that having seen how effective American cultural power has been over the last few decades, Trump and the people around him are essentially willing to throw much of it away by trying to withdraw us from global culture and politics, rather than lead it.
IF there are any benefits to these projects, benefits that can be measured, let a private or non-profit fund them. If benefits are measurable, people will donate.
 
IF there are any benefits to these projects, benefits that can be measured, let a private or non-profit fund them. If benefits are measurable, people will donate.
Why the insistence that benefits be measurable? There's part of your problem right there. Refusing to acknowledge any benefits that aren't measurable is foolish. How does one measure the benefit of winning wars, or maintaining peace, or exploring the moon, or discovering new elements, or protecting endangered species?
 
I doubt most people spend time researching budget details for the many federal departments. This musical/comic book story is something right wing media would be all over if it was known.
Right wing media was all over it. How do you think Musk found out about it? They didn't just start talking about this stuff a week ago.

I mean the White House executive order that you quoted earlier literally links to several right-wing media articles as a source for its claims. LOL
 
Here's is a right-wing media article from 2023 that talks about a lot of these things, including the LGBTQ comic book in Peru


Here is the quote from a state department official explaining why these types of grants were made:

A State Department spokesman defended the funding in comments to the Free Beacon, saying these programs "advance the foreign policy priority of reducing discrimination and violence and promoting inclusion."

"Indigenous persons, religious and ethnic minorities, women, LGBTQI+ persons, and persons with disabilities, among others, live with disproportionate violence that requires targeted support," the spokesman said. "U.S. citizens benefit from a world that is safer and more prosperous for all."
 
Here's is a right-wing media article from 2023 that talks about a lot of these things, including the LGBTQ comic book in Peru


Here is the quote from a state department official explaining why these types of grants were made:

A State Department spokesman defended the funding in comments to the Free Beacon, saying these programs "advance the foreign policy priority of reducing discrimination and violence and promoting inclusion."

"Indigenous persons, religious and ethnic minorities, women, LGBTQI+ persons, and persons with disabilities, among others, live with disproportionate violence that requires targeted support," the spokesman said. "U.S. citizens benefit from a world that is safer and more prosperous for all."
And that is utter horseshit. Do you support tax dollars being spent on that project?
 
And that is utter horseshit. Do you support tax dollars being spent on that project?
I know you’re not asking me, but I absolutely support tax dollars being spent on anything designed to try to make the world a safer and more prosperous place for everyone, which tremendously benefits us as Americans. Granted, I acknowledge that different people can have different perspectives and viewpoints on what constitutes spending money on something worthy of furthering that aforementioned goal. But overall, I definitely believe that spending the equivalent of peanuts on things that advance American soft power and goodwill abroad, are well worth the investment.
 
And that is utter horseshit. Do you support tax dollars being spent on that project?
I have no objection to taxpayer dollars being spent on trying to make the world a more welcoming and less discriminatory place. Eliminating prejudices and opening minds is critical to making the world a more peaceful and less hostile place. Peace and harmony are extremely valuable to every American citizen.

I can't speak to whether this particular project deserved the money over others because I don't know what the other options were. But the amount of money we're talking about (like $30k) is so miniscule that I have a hard time understanding how anyone could get worked up about it either way.
 
And that is utter horseshit. Do you support tax dollars being spent on that project?
Do you understand how stabilization of other countries ultimately benefits us because it drastically reduces our defense budget? Look at the programs being highlighted. Think about which countries are getting the specific targeted aid and why. Consider how each benefits us in specific ways. You still won't agree with everything on that list. But you will begin to see, at least in regards to some of them, that those projects have the potential to mitigate defense and other types of spending in those areas.
 
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Every government agency - for that matter, every large private company - spends money on stupid shit. That's a rationale for zero-based budgeting, not canning an entire agency. I mean, let's start applying the same logic to Palantir and the Defense Department, for god's sake.

We are abandoning the institutions of American soft power that took us 80 years to build up. We are exiting the soft power game at the very time that China is dramatically increasing their soft power investment. Are we getting the requisite bang for the buck from our USAID investments? That's a fair question. But before we allow a bunch of tech geeks to trash that 80 year investment over a couple of twitter posts, wouldn't it make sense to have a policy discussion on what it means for our strategic interests?
 
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