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[ZenMode]

What does the scholarly research say about the effect of gender transition on transgender well-being? | What We Know

Overview We conducted a systematic literature review of all peer-reviewed articles published in English between 1991 and June 2017 that assess the effect of gender transition on transgender well-being. We identified 55 studies that consist of primary research on this topic, of which 51 (93%)...

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It would appear that a meta analysis of the relevant medical literature and studies on the results of gender affirming care would show that it is effective at treating dysphoria.

Do you have some scientific support for the notion that it reinforces the dysphoria or exacerbates it?

Gender affirming care aligns the gender of the brain with that of the body. That's the entire point.

Gender affirming care, as your link states, involves surgically changing the body of the person to align it with what's going on in their brain. That's the equivalent of a person with OCD, who desires to wash their hands every 5 minutes, installing sinks in every room of their house to "treat" their obsessive behavior.

That's not the kind of treatment RFK is talking about. He's talking about changing what's going on in the brain so it aligns with the physical body.

1. The scholarly literature makes clear that gender transition is effective in treating gender dysphoria and can significantly improve the well-being of transgender individuals.

 

[Zoo_View]

I, for one, tune into this message board to learn from ZenMode’s legal and psychological/psychiatric statements.

It’s a new area of knowledge.

 

[ZenMode]

I, for one, tune into this message board to learn from ZenMode’s legal and psychological/psychiatric statements.

It’s a new area of knowledge.

Interesting. Most people are only interested in my humor.

 

[finesse]

Interesting. Most people are only interested in my humor.

Your appeal is only half wit.

 

[Calheel]

Gender affirming care, as your link states, involves surgically changing the body of the person to align it with what's going on in their brain. That's the equivalent of a person with OCD, who desires to wash their hands every 5 minutes, installing sinks in every room of their house to "treat" their obsessive behavior.

That's not the kind of treatment RFK is talking about. He's talking about changing what's going on in the brain so it aligns with the physical body.

1. The scholarly literature makes clear that gender transition is effective in treating gender dysphoria and can significantly improve the well-being of transgender individuals.

1. His link doesn't say that.
2. Gender affirming care does not always involve surgery, although it can.
3. The evidence is overwhelming -- especially from those who do not have an axe to grind -- that gender affirming care produces superior mental health outcomes in the vast, vast majority of cases. Unlike installing multiple sinks in the home of an OCD person, it actually produces tangible health benefits.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

From your first article (Wiki is okay for a quick introduction but can't be trusted on details).


Descendant cells are the medium in which these vaccines are prepared. The cell lines under consideration were begun using cells taken from one or more fetuses aborted almost 40 years ago. Since that time the cell lines have grown independently. It is important to note that descendant cells are not the cells of the aborted child. They never, themselves, formed a part of the victim's body.

In total only two fetuses, both obtained from abortions done by maternal choice, have given rise to the human cell strains used in vaccine development. Neither abortion was performed for the purpose of vaccine development.

That doesn't sound like aborted fetus debris to me.

You're right. I linked the wrong article. Sorry about that. Use this one.

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www.chop.edu

Q. Is [human] fetal cell DNA contained in vaccines?
A. Because vaccine viruses go through several steps of purification
and because DNA does not withstand these processes very well,
any components of DNA that remain are highly fragmented and
minimal. When DNA from the production process has been
measured in vaccines, it was only present in picogram quantities.
A picogram is one-trillionth of a gram (0.000000000001). As such,
this small amount of fragmented material is not able to cause
damage or interact with our own DNA.

 

[ZenMode]

1. His link doesn't say that.
2. Gender affirming care does not always involve surgery, although it can.
3. The evidence is overwhelming -- especially from those who do not have an axe to grind -- that gender affirming care produces superior mental health outcomes in the vast, vast majority of cases. Unlike installing multiple sinks in the home of an OCD person, it actually produces tangible health benefits.

I'm not disputing the effectiveness of gender affirming care and I agree it doesn't always include surgery, though it seems like that is often the eventual goal.

I'm saying that RFK isn't looking to affirm what's going on in the mind of the person. If the person has a male body, but believes they are female, he's looking to change their mind to align with their body.

 

[finesse]

You're right. I linked the wrong article. Sorry about that. Use this one.

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www.chop.edu

Q. Is [human] fetal cell DNA contained in vaccines?
A. Because vaccine viruses go through several steps of purification
and because DNA does not withstand these processes very well,
any components of DNA that remain are highly fragmented and
minimal. When DNA from the production process has been
measured in vaccines, it was only present in picogram quantities.
A picogram is one-trillionth of a gram (0.000000000001). As such,
this small amount of fragmented material is not able to cause
damage or interact with our own DNA.

The answer still seems to essentially be no.

 

[StrangePackage]

I'm not disputing the effectiveness of gender affirming care and I agree it doesn't always include surgery, though it seems like that is often the eventual goal.

I'm saying that RFK isn't looking to affirm what's going on in the mind of the person. If the person has a male body, but believes they are female, he's looking to change their mind to align with their body.

Right. He's looking to do the opposite of what has been proven safe and effective.

Which is fucking stupid.

 

[finesse]

I'm not disputing the effectiveness of gender affirming care and I agree it doesn't always include surgery, though it seems like that is often the eventual goal.

I'm saying that RFK isn't looking to affirm what's going on in the mind of the person. If the person has a male body, but believes they are female, he's looking to change their mind to align with their body.

Can you link to a reputable study that shows that even working? How does the suicide rate of participants, especially forced participants , compare to the success rate?

 

[ZenMode]

Right. He's looking to do the opposite of what has been proven safe and effective.

Which is fucking stupid.

There can be more than one safe and effective solution, can there not?

 

[ZenMode]

Can you link to a reputable study that shows that even working? How does the suicide rate of participants, especially forced participants , compare to the success rate?

I don't have a link to a study showing that RFK's idea is effective. Of course, before gender affirming care was tried and found to be effective, they were probably no studies on that either.

 

[finesse]

I don't have a link to a study showing that RFK's idea is effective. Of course, before gender affirming care was tried and found to be effective, they were probably no studies on that either.

Can you link to a study that shows it is even plausible?

 

[ZenMode]

Can you link to a study that shows it is even plausible?

No, but I don't know if I've ever seen a study on something being "even plausible". I'm thinking of a fairly recent theory regarding MDMA being useful for treating PTSD. I don't know how you'd have a study on feasibility in that case.

 

[finesse]

No, but I don't know if I've ever seen a study on something being "even plausible". I'm thinking of a fairly recent theory regarding MDMA being useful for treating PTSD. I don't know how you'd have a study on feasibility in that case.

Aren't you the same guy who hated "wasting" money on studies about why people refuse vaccines, a proven problem? Yet, you support actually looking into this? How much would that cost, why would you do it and, most particularly, where would you start?

Btw, are you really this clueless about research? It's hard to even pretend you are a serious person.

 

[Zoo_View]

Aren't you the same guy who hated "wasting" money on studies about why people refuse vaccines, a proven problem? Yet, you support actually looking into this? How much would that cost, why would you do it and, most particularly, where would you start?

Btw, are you really this clueless about research? It's hard to even pretend your a serious person.

He’s not.

He’s trolling.

 

[ZenMode]

Aren't you the same guy who hated "wasting" money on studies about why people refuse vaccines, a proven problem? Yet, you support actually looking into this? How much would that cost, why would you do it and, most particularly, where would you start?

Btw, are you really this clueless about research? It's hard to even pretend you are a serious person.

I'm opposed to 40 studies to study vaccine hesitancy. I'm opposed to wasting money studying a connection between vaccination and autism.

I'm not opposed to research in general and my comment wasn't related to the finances. My comment was more about the liberal perspective, the side which, based on the comments here, seems to not really have a spending limit on research. My comment was more about the acceptability of such a study and, If it was viewed as unacceptable, why would it be viewed as such.

 

[ChileG]

RFK Jr. will order placebo testing for new vaccines, alarming health experts​

The potential change outlined in a statement would require all new vaccines to undergo placebo testing, sparking concerns among medical experts.

—> https://wapo.st/3EM3SCa

“… Vaccines for new pathogens are often tested this way. But for well-researched diseases, such as measles and polio, public health experts say it makes little sense to do that and can be unethical, because the placebo group would not receive a known effective intervention.

HHS did not clarify how the change will be implemented and for which vaccines the testing would apply, nor did it define what the department meant by “new vaccine.” But the government indicated it wouldn’t apply to the flu vaccine, which is updated year to year and which HHS stated “has been tried and tested for more than 80 years.”

In response to questions about whether other vaccines previously safety tested would be newly scrutinized, the department focused on its concerns around the coronavirus vaccine but did not address other immunizations.

Kennedy has long disparaged vaccines, said they are not adequately safety tested and previously called for placebo testing for vaccines that are approved for use. …”

What in the actual f….

 

[gtyellowjacket]

The answer still seems to essentially be no.

I don't know what the question is. If the question is if there is a trace of aborted human fetus in vaccines, the answer would be yes. If the question is if there's a lot, I would say the answer is no.

Can you give a yes or no without a qualifier such as essentially?

 

[finesse]

I don't know what the question is. If the question is if there is a trace of aborted human fetus in vaccines, the answer would be yes. If the question is if there's a lot, I would say the answer is no.

Can you give a yes or no without a qualifier such as essentially?

Then no. Those lines are forty years old and the individual cells don't live that long. That's the science. You tell me why you buy the superstition.