Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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Thinking back to Trump telling Zelensky he doesn't have the cards.............ooopps. Well you just never know what cards someone has till they play them. Ukraine will make peace on its own schedule and not on Trump's . So no need for anyone to demand that Ukraine make a peace settlement.

Ukraine's got this.
 
BTW, Russians and Russian supporting Americans comparing this Ukrainian attack to Pearl Harbor are outrageous.

If Russia surprise attacked a United States military base because we are providing support to Ukraine, that would be like Pearl Harbor.

Russia invaded Ukraine. Ukraine defended itself. Ukraine agreed to an unconditional cease fire. In response, Russia bombed civilians in Ukraine and delayed meaningful peace talks. So Ukraine attacked military targets inside Russia to disable equipment being used by an invader to wage war on Ukraine. Zero comparison to Pearl Harbor (except maybe to some extent the cost of damage done?).
 
Russia doesn't deal well with embarrassment. Heads will roll. It will be interesting to see if Ukraine helps steer the rolling process toward undermining key folks who Putin depends on. Perhaps leaking information that would lead to suspicion. Doesn't have to be accurate, just plausible. I am sure they have already thought about it.
 
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That strikes me as a completely reasonable response to Russia's last absurd proposal. It's not something that could get a deal done, of course, but it communicates Ukraine will not cave. Between the timing of that brilliant drone attack and this response, I'm loving what we're seeing from Ukraine right now. All the Russia-loving MAGAs who have been telling us Ukraine is doomed can suck it.
 
lawtig02 said:
That strikes me as a completely reasonable response to Russia's last absurd proposal. It's not something that could get a deal done, of course, but it communicates Ukraine will not cave. Between the timing of that brilliant drone attack and this response, I'm loving what we're seeing from Ukraine right now. All the Russia-loving MAGAs who have been telling us Ukraine is doomed can suck it.
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Zelensky to Putin and Trump: FAFO
 
Ukraine making a bit of noise about how they were prevented from making deep strikes on Russia by the Biden folks.

Connecting some dots, but Trump made a post in the last week about how he had saved Russia in ways they didn't know about or something like that. That's doubtful. Or, perhaps in Trumps first couple of months Ukraine was humoring him to get him to play ball. So connecting the dots, maybe Ukraine is sending a message to Trump that he should play ball and he might have some influence with them. (Ukraine leveraging every avenue for advantage. Not trying to say this was the only reason for the deep strikes.)
 
BlueSmoke said:
Ukraine making a bit of noise about how they were prevented from making deep strikes on Russia by the Biden folks.

Connecting some dots, but Trump made a post in the last week about how he had saved Russia in ways they didn't know about or something like that. That's doubtful. Or, perhaps in Trumps first couple of months Ukraine was humoring him to get him to play ball. So connecting the dots, maybe Ukraine is sending a message to Trump that he should play ball and he might have some influence with them. (Ukraine leveraging every avenue for advantage. Not trying to say this was the only reason for the deep strikes.)
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Also, they know Trump will reflexively be critical of anything Biden did, so if they say Biden wouldn't let them make deep strikes on Russia, Trump will pretty much have to be all for it (and claim it was his idea)...
 
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