Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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One unfortunate thing is that Zelensky would have likely wiped the floor with Trump if they shared the same native tongue.

The fact that they had to speak English gives Trump an advantage. Ironically being able to speak multiple language actually puts you at a bit of a disadvantage.
 
Callatoroy said:
Quote from ChileG: “I’m happy the world got to see what a buffoon Trump is. Why wouldn’t that make me happy?” Somebody….at least fucking ONE is honest enough to admit it. That isn’t zero and there are more who are to scared to own it.
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I guess sarcasm doesn’t come across too well in message boards.

My comment was more along the lines of: well, if Trump is going to fuck over the entire world anyway, at least the world got to see what a stupid, petulant child he (and JD Vance, for that matter) is on live TV. Perhaps that will sway sentiment more toward Ukraine, or away from MAGA.

The way Trump is handling Ukraine is 180 degrees from what would make me “happy.”
 
ZenMode said:
This may have already been pointed out, but I think Zelensky knows that Trump is a Putin fanboy and wasn't going to do the right thing, which is put the smack down on Russia. His only chance was to make the case in front of the media and the world and hopefully force Trump's hand.
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Yep, pretty sure Zel knows more about the true relationship between Trump and Putin then we do.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
I don’t think it helps Putin. I think this has galvanized Europe and that is not good for Putin.

If Putin engineered this, I would say he overplayed his hand.
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Betting that the man with the thinnest skin in the world would commit US troops and weapons to helping Russia over vengeance with the worst case scenario being that the rest of the world abandons them as global leader is pretty win-win for Putin.
 
BlueSmoke said:
The history books are going to have to be revised to show Russia won the cold war.

MAGA World should be so proud of this accomplishment.
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It is sort of like the Rebels in the USA holding out over years and decades to regain power after the U.S. Civil War military hostilities ended via terrorism (like lynchings and the KKK) and political power used to establish apartheid of Jim Crow, eventually leading to national political power.

In both cases, there was a clear victor of the Civil War and the Cold War. But the bad guys keep fighting and the victors tend to be exhausted by the fight.
 
nycfan said:
It is sort of like the Rebels in the USA holding out over years and decades to regain power after the U.S. Civil War military hostilities ended via terrorism (like lynchings and the KKK) and political power used to establish apartheid of Jim Crow, eventually leading to national political power.

In both cases, there was a clear victor of the Civil War and the Cold War. But the bad guys keep fighting and the victors tend to be exhausted by the fight.
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The biggest learning moment from both is that Americans don't have learning moments.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I really don't think Trump would mind one bit if the Europeans took more of the defense burden against Russia. He has been pushing that for about a decade at this point.
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Trump wants Europe to pay more. I don’t think for a minute he wants them to take a decision making role. He wants their money, not their opinions.
 
Callatoroy said:
Nothing at all disingenuous about my comments. Just reading this board is proof of that. You have people on here who have expressed their desire to see trump dead. Not a single one of you want to see trump succeed. If you want proof of that all one has to do is read the board and experience all the TDS. Are you saying this board wanted to see trump get this deal done? That would be completely contradictory to the comments put here every day and you would be lying.
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It’s not a matter of not wanting Trump to succeed. I want the country to succeed, not Trump’s vision for the country. If Trump and his band of corrupt incompetents succeed in implementing the Trump agenda, that means our nation has failed.
 
nycfan said:
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That was my reaction, as well.

Trump lost his cool because he realized that Z was not going to lay down and give him a chance to match Obama by winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

For Trump it's not about a just peace or even mineral rights; it's all about the Nobel, and he had a temper tantrum when Z threw cold water on his Nobel plans.
 
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