Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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ZenMode said:
This may have already been pointed out, but I think Zelensky knows that Trump is a Putin fanboy and wasn't going to do the right thing, which is put the smack down on Russia. His only chance was to make the case in front of the media and the world and hopefully force Trump's hand.
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I mean, obviously. And Europe has to step in now. Either way, shit is going to go sideways. And regardless of outcome, Trump is going to think he deserves credit.
 
Or...

Maybe this was all part of a plan to piss off Trump, allow European countries to come in and save the day and leave Trump on the sidelines. Zelensky showed up underdressed, which Trump pointed out, and then he basically called out Trump in front of the world, while talking over him.
 




Except he said thank you repeatedly today and in the past.



They are so lazy about regurgitating talking points.

 
Callatoroy said:
Yea, I mean secretly. I wouldn’t expect you would post your glee. That wouldn’t look good would it? The opposite would you guys were all hoping this deal would get done and trump gets a big win. That wouldn’t fly either would it? So I went with the first and most likely scenario.
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I’m happy the world got to see what a buffoon Trump is. Why wouldn’t that make me happy?
 
HandsonFire said:
In this scenario I would take death or Europe . Never kneel to these ******* ( insert sexual insults of your choosing ).
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Not smart and you would be condemning hundreds of thousands, including women and children to death. Or, you get to keep 4/5ths of your country, have informal security, and get help extracting billions of dollars that could be used to rebuild your country and economy. If it ended today, Ukraine is the winner in the eyes of the world.
 
ZenMode said:
Or...

Maybe this was all part of a plan to piss off Trump, allow European countries to come in and save the day and leave Trump on the sidelines. Zelensky showed up underdressed, which Trump pointed out, and then he basically called out Trump in front of the world, while talking over him.
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So Trump is an easily baited moron?

That is how Zelensky has dressed for the duration of the war in solidarity with his war fighters. The plant who asked about his usual attire is MTG’s boyfriend (really).
 
Callatoroy said:
Nothing at all disingenuous about my comments. Just reading this board is proof of that. You have people on here who have expressed their desire to see trump dead. Not a single one of you want to see trump succeed. If you want proof of that all one has to do is read the board and experience all the TDS. Are you saying this board wanted to see trump get this deal done? That would be completely contradictory to the comments put here every day and you would be lying.
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Im not saying anything other than what I have said twice now. Nobody....fucking ZERO....People on here are happy that today went the way it did. Nobody here wants our relationships with Europe fractured. Nobody wants Ukraine hung out to dry. Nobody wants any of that to somehow get a political "win" over Donald Trump. That you think this way is indicative of your own spiral into the Trump cesspool of victimization and nothing else.
 
Callatoroy said:
So unless Russia pulls out to its original borders, including crimea, it’s a bad deal?
How is it in the US’s interest to guarantee Ukraines perpetual security which might draw us into a war over Ukraine?
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Yes, I think allowing them to keep and control territory they’ve gained thru unprovoked aggression, war crimes, and indiscriminate slaughter of innocents would be a bad deal.

I don’t see how it’s not clear to all that a free and democratic Ukraine, coupled with Putin’s Russia being economically and militarily incapable of large-scale war in Europe is in the US’s interests.

To your point of “perpetual security” for Ukraine and it’s potential for drawing us into a war, what do you think allowing Russian invasions are gonna eventually do?
 
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ZenMode said:
Or...

Maybe this was all part of a plan to piss off Trump, allow European countries to come in and save the day and leave Trump on the sidelines. Zelensky showed up underdressed, which Trump pointed out, and then he basically called out Trump in front of the world, while talking over him.
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Yall gotta quit with this weird thing about what he wears to visit Trump. Who gives a shit? His people are getting slaughtered.

Jesus F. Christ.

What do you wear to commune with God in church on Sunday? Because if it ain’t a full-on suit and tie,………
 
Callatoroy said:
And not that long ago the ZZL was ROASTING Bolton. Now he apparently has some credibility? He despises trump about as much as you guys
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Approximately 30 of 34 former Trump 1.0 candidate members are against The Orange Menace. The Adults in the Room are metaphysically unlikely to be wrong. Trump is a child, bully, and loser. Americans are bigger losers for voting for the clown again. I have some hurricane inundates, gator infested swampland in Florida to sell!
 
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