Callatoroy
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And not that long ago the ZZL was ROASTING Bolton. Now he apparently has some credibility? He despises trump about as much as you guys
Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”
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Im not saying anything other than what I have said twice now. Nobody....fucking ZERO....People on here are happy that today went the way it did. Nobody here wants our relationships with Europe fractured. Nobody wants Ukraine hung out to dry. Nobody wants any of that to somehow get a political "win" over Donald Trump. That you think this way is indicative of your own spiral into the Trump cesspool of victimization and nothing else.
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Yes, I think allowing them to keep and control territory they’ve gained thru unprovoked aggression, war crimes, and indiscriminate slaughter of innocents would be a bad deal.
I don’t see how it’s not clear to all that a free and democratic Ukraine, coupled with Putin’s Russia being economically and militarily incapable of large-scale war in Europe is in the US’s interests.
To your point of “perpetual security” for Ukraine and it’s potential for drawing us into a war, what do you think allowing Russian invasions are gonna eventually do?
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dukeman92
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What are you even talking about? Maybe you should take a timeout, Roy.
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Wouldn’t ever happen and would lead to WW3
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Yall gotta quit with this weird thing about what he wears to visit Trump. Who gives a shit? His people are getting slaughtered.
Jesus F. Christ.
What do you wear to commune with God in church on Sunday? Because if it ain’t a full-on suit and tie,………
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Approximately 30 of 34 former Trump 1.0 candidate members are against The Orange Menace. The Adults in the Room are metaphysically unlikely to be wrong. Trump is a child, bully, and loser. Americans are bigger losers for voting for the clown again. I have some hurricane inundates, gator infested swampland in Florida to sell!
Mods perhaps we need a separate thread only in Russian for some of the board.
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Norm Macdonald reference?
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Maybe Trump’s 4D chess was to bring the rest of the world together in support of Ukraine and then he’ll reveal how clever he was to use reverse psychology to get them to help the USA do more to support Ukraine.
Trump is old and has syphilis. This is part of Trump's airing of grievances and kowtowing to a dick-tater and war criminal with mega dirt on Trump.
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WSJ Editorial Bord:
Putin Wins the Trump-Zelensky Oval Office Spectacle
Vice President Vance starts a public fight that only helps Russia’s dictator.
“Toward the end of his on-camera, Oval Office brawl with Ukraine’s Volodymyr Zelensky on Friday, President Trump quipped that it was “great television.”
… The meeting between Messrs. Trump and Zelensky started out smoothly enough. “It’s a big commitment from the United States, and we appreciate working with you very much, and we will continue to do that,” Mr. Trump said of the mineral deal. Mr. Zelensky showed photos of Ukrainians mistreated as prisoners of war. “That’s tough stuff,” Mr. Trump said.
The nose dive began with an odd interjection from Vice President JD Vance, who appeared to be defending Mr. Trump’s diplomacy, which Mr. Zelensky hadn’t challenged. Mr. Zelensky rehearsed the many peace agreements Mr. Putin has shredded and essentially asked Mr. Vance what would be different this time.
Mr. Vance unloaded on Mr. Zelensky—that he was “disrespectful,” low on manpower, and gives visitors to Ukraine a “propaganda” tour. President Trump appeared piqued by Mr. Zelensky’s suggestion that the outcome in Ukraine would matter to the U.S. “Your country is in big trouble. You’re not winning,” Mr. Trump said at one point.
Why did the Vice President try to provoke a public fight? Mr. Vance has been taking to his X.com account in what appears to be an effort to soften up the political ground for a Ukraine surrender, most recently writing off Mr. Putin’s brutal invasion as a mere ethnic rivalry. Mr. Vance dressed down Mr. Zelensky as if he were a child late for dinner. He claimed the Ukrainian hadn’t been grateful enough for U.S. aid, though he has thanked America countless times for its support. This was not the behavior of a wannabe statesman.
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But as with the war, Mr. Zelensky didn’t start this Oval Office exchange. Was he supposed to tolerate an extended public denigration of the Ukrainian people, who have been fighting a war for survival for three years?
It is bewildering to see Mr. Trump’s allies defending this debacle as some show of American strength. The U.S. interest in Ukraine is shutting down Mr. Putin’s imperial project of reassembling a lost Soviet empire without U.S. soldiers ever having to fire a shot. That core interest hasn’t changed, but berating Ukraine in front of the entire world will make it harder to achieve.
Turning Ukraine over to Mr. Putin would be catastrophic for that country and Europe, but it would be a political calamity for Mr. Trump too. The U.S. President can’t simply walk away from that conflict, much as he would like to. Ukraine has enough weapons support to last until sometime this summer. But as the war stands, Mr. Putin sees little reason to make any concessions as his forces gain ground inch by bloody inch in Ukraine’s east.
Friday’s spectacle won’t make him any more willing to stop his onslaught as he sees the U.S. President and his eager deputy unload on Ukraine’s leader. Some Trumpologists have been suggesting Mr. Trump will put pressure on Mr. Putin in due time. But so far Mr. Putin hasn’t made a single concession on territory, or on Ukraine’s ability to defend itself in the future after a peace deal is signed.
… Mr. Trump does not want to be the President who abandoned Ukraine to Vladimir Putin with all the bloodshed and damage to U.S. interests that would result. Mr. Vance won’t like to run for President in such a world either.“
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Not start WW3. As you acknowledged, they aren’t in a position economically to keep waging war. The only way to stop Putin is
1) through worldwide sanctions which won’t happen because of China and others who buy Russia’s oil.
2) nato boundaries
3) internal strife within russia
4) Putin dying
5) The US’s presence in Ukraine helping mine rare earths
Continuing to give hundreds of billions in weapons won’t push Putin out of Ukraine. It will increase the chances Putin uses battlefield nukes though.
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Indeed
So, the most murderous country on the planet, an autocratic anti intellectual backwater, a bitcoin bro middling Central American country, and the South American offspring of Boris Johnson and Sam Bankman Fried.
Cool, cool.
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Yea
And the tough Bullies needed 2-1 on Zelensky
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Maybe Trump’s 4D chess was to bring the rest of the world together in support of Ukraine and then he’ll reveal how clever he was to use reverse psychology to get them to help the USA do more to support Ukraine.
Please, mythical-human-coping-entity-in-the-sky, let their words actually represent their future behavior.
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Quote from ChileG: “I’m happy the world got to see what a buffoon Trump is. Why wouldn’t that make me happy?” Somebody….at least fucking ONE is honest enough to admit it. That isn’t zero and there are more who are to scared to own it.