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Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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ZenMode said:
Probably already posted, but I was almost completely off line yesterday.

Zelenskyy Says He’ll Sign Minerals Deal And Urges US To ‘Stand More Firmly’ For Ukraine After Oval Office Clash

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said he is ready to sign a stalled minerals deal with the United States in a thread on X on Saturday, in which he also urged the United States to stand strongly behind Ukraine amid its war with Russia, one day after his meeting with President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance devolved into a near-shouting match.

www.forbes.com

Zelenskyy Says He’s Ready To Sign Minerals Deal After White House Clash

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy posted a lengthy thread on X Saturday, stating he would sign the minerals deal, but said the Ukrainian people “need to know that America is on our side.”
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Let me repeat: There will be no minerals deal signed with the Ukraine. There never was going to be one. Trump floated the deal to Zelenskyy hoping to insult him enough to end negotiations in order for Trump to blame Zelenskyy for breaking relations with the U.S.

When Zelenskyy called his bluff by indicating he’d sign such a deal, Trump and his dancing monkey JD staged an ambush in order to NOT sign the deal.

Trump doesn’t want to sign one because he knows he’ll get the minerals by signing a back-door deal with Putin instead to pull all funding and resources out of Ukraine.

He’ll allow Putin to overrun Ukraine, and will accept any table scraps Putin throws him from what’s left of the country.

And Zelenskyy knows this, which is why he continues to debase himself for his country by agreeing to sign the deal no matter how horribly he’s treated by Trump. He’ll continue to call Trump’s bluff.

Trump’s next move will be to proclaim no deal until Zelenskyy steps down.
 
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Will the MAGA cult ever tire from having to constantly defend their God-King? At least now they've taken off the mask. They've made it abundantly clear that they value Dear Leader more than they value the Constitution, the country and their friends and family. Total and absolute devotion.

Trump
God
Country (Russia that is)



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Silence Dogood said:
Relax. When people do what you're doing its a sign they don't like being exposed or the truth they hear is offensive. Its always the left calling for bans, so odd.
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lmaooooo.

your side attempts to whitewash/delete/ban entire decades of history that you don't like. and genders. and sexualities. and books about anything that you don't like - women or minorities or the lgbtq community or slavery, jim crow, civil rights, etc. etc. etc.

the list of things y'all are scared of and want to ban is literally endless.
 
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Silence Dogood said:


Sounds like Z wasn't there for a deal anyways but to cozy up to politicians and continue the money train
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Completely regardless of politics, you need to take a look in the mirror and do some introspection. Ask yourself why you are so willing to support the one singular country in the world who hates the United States of America more than anyone else, along with revulsion of everything for which we stand. Ask yourself why you are so eager to defend the one country that has been the biggest perpetual nemesis and thorn in the side of the United States over the last 80 years. Then, ask yourself why you believe that the leader of a country who was invaded, bombed, plundered, raped, and pillaged completely unprovoked, doesn't have the right to do whatever it takes to garner the support necessary to help his country repel those invaders.

Forget about liberals and conservatives, Republicans and Democrats. Forget about Trump, Biden, Obama, whomever. Just ask yourself why you are so willing to gargle Russian propaganda so eagerly, and why you are going to the mat to defend the one country in the world who sees the destruction of America and the West as its lone mission.
 
CFordUNC said:
Completely regardless of politics, you need to take a look in the mirror and do some introspection. Ask yourself why you are so willing to support the one singular country in the world who hates the United States of America more than anyone else, along with revulsion of everything for which we stand. Ask yourself why you are so eager to defend the one country that has been the biggest perpetual nemesis and thorn in the side of the United States over the last 80 years. Then, ask yourself why you believe that the leader of a country who was invaded, bombed, plundered, raped, and pillaged completely unprovoked, doesn't have the right to do whatever it takes to garner the support necessary to help his country repel those invaders.

Forget about liberals and conservatives, Republicans and Democrats. Forget about Trump, Biden, Obama, whomever. Just ask yourself why you are so willing to gargle Russian propaganda so eagerly.
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I'm simply advocating an end to the war. I understand Russia as a adversary and as such if you want peace you don't make threats. There's been no negotiations with Russia, its time we try. Thats it. Quit making this so complicated
 
Silence Dogood said:
I'm simply advocating an end to the war. I understand Russia as an adversary and as such if you want peace you don't make threats. There's been no negotiations with Russia, its time we try. Thats it. Quit making this so complicated
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Ah yes, I remember the type of “negotiation” that is so effective with an aggressive dictator looking to expand his territory. It worked so well for Neville Chamberlain in the 30’s. Thank goodness that we were able to appease Hitler enough that he promised no more attacks against other countries. I cringe to think what would have happened if that type of appeasement didn’t actually work.
 
Silence Dogood said:
I'm simply advocating an end to the war. I understand Russia as a adversary and as such if you want peace you don't make threats. There's been no negotiations with Russia, its time we try. Thats it. Quit making this so complicated
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The fact that you think that this stuff *isn't* complicated is why you aren't taken seriously here. You don't negotiate with terrorists. Period, end of discussion. You don't negotiate or sue for peace with a rogue pariah terrorist state like Russia that launched a full-fledged invasion of another sovereign country unprovoked. You do not attempt to find middle ground or peace terms with the invader nation that doesn't involve them withdrawing their forces and ending the bloodshed. What you *do* in that situation is to continue to pour arms, aid, and support into helping the invaded country- one who is our ally- either repel the invaders or cause enough harm to the invaders that *they* sue for peace. What you also do is rely upon your alliance of fellow democratic nations- we call it 'NATO'- to similarly fund and arm the invaded ally.

You either do not actually view Russia as an adversary, or you do not understand how to actually deal with an adversary.
 
CFordUNC said:
Completely regardless of politics, you need to take a look in the mirror and do some introspection. Ask yourself why you are so willing to support the one singular country in the world who hates the United States of America more than anyone else, along with revulsion of everything for which we stand. Ask yourself why you are so eager to defend the one country that has been the biggest perpetual nemesis and thorn in the side of the United States over the last 80 years. Then, ask yourself why you believe that the leader of a country who was invaded, bombed, plundered, raped, and pillaged completely unprovoked, doesn't have the right to do whatever it takes to garner the support necessary to help his country repel those invaders.

Forget about liberals and conservatives, Republicans and Democrats. Forget about Trump, Biden, Obama, whomever. Just ask yourself why you are so willing to gargle Russian propaganda so eagerly, and why you are going to the mat to defend the one country in the world who sees the destruction of America and the West as its lone mission.
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Well, remember, Trump and Putin have been through a lot together. Hunter and Hillary spent years kicking both of their asses.
 
Silence Dogood said:
I'm simply advocating an end to the war. I understand Russia as a adversary and as such if you want peace you don't make threats. There's been no negotiations with Russia, its time we try. Thats it. Quit making this so complicated
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But this is simplistic. Everyone wants an end to the war, Ukraine and Russia included. The question is not whether an end to the war is desired, it is what an end to the war looks like. The concerns are rewarding Russia for its aggression and protections put in place to prevent yet another conflict. Any solution that doesn't account for these is not an end to the war, it's just an indefinite pause.
 
CFordUNC said:
The fact that you think that this stuff *isn't* complicated is why you aren't taken seriously here. You don't negotiate with terrorists. Period, end of discussion. You don't negotiate or sue for peace with a rogue pariah terrorist state like Russia that launched a full-fledged invasion of another sovereign country unprovoked. You do not attempt to find middle ground or peace terms with the invader nation that doesn't involve them withdrawing their forces and ending the bloodshed. What you *do* in that situation is to continue to pour arms, aid, and support into helping the invaded country- one who is our ally- either repel the invaders or cause enough harm to the invaders that *they* sue for peace. What you also do is rely upon your alliance of fellow democratic nations- we call it 'NATO'- to similarly fund and arm the invaded ally.

You either do not actually view Russia as an adversary, or you do not understand how to actually deal with an adversary.
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After Hitler had signed the Munich Agreement one of his staff asked him wouldn’t this hamper our plans going forward? Hitler replied that it was just a piece of paper. Same applies to Putin. History has proven you can’t negotiate with people like him. Some people on this board don’t understand that.
 
Silence Dogood said:
I'm simply advocating an end to the war. I understand Russia as a adversary and as such if you want peace you don't make threats. There's been no negotiations with Russia, its time we try. Thats it. Quit making this so complicated
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End to the war? Good, we all want that. So to get that, I ask you what security arrangements have been proposed to safeguard Ukraine? Or do you expect to get to peace without security arrangements? This should be straightforward to answer.
 
I never knew that Silence Dogood was the favorite pen name of Neville Chamberlain. You learn something every day, I suppose.

If history is any indication, this isn't peace - it's war deferred.
 
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