Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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gtyellowjacket said:
There were a lot of unknowns. They were wrong on stuff and we were wrong on stuff. Domino theory was widely believed but it's since been discredited. No need to go back to it.

And if their business plan was to take over a lot of countries and seize their resources, they should have been better businessmen. At least after world war II. They were paying millions which would be billions today to prop up Cuba and North Korean economies. Vietnam played Russia against China.

If they were really hoping to take over countries and seize their resources, they should have been using Britain and the US as a model. We knew how to keep those communists out and keep countries free. Free to sell us oil and bananas.
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Do you know how to play chess? If you do, then you know you have to think like a bunch of moves in advance. Cuba for them was an advanced move. Being on our doorsteps, as the Cuban missile crisis demonstrated, it had all kinds of leverage opportunity for the future.

Gaining leverage is the name of the game. And they were definitely intent on gaining leverage over us for blackmail, resources, and all kinds of advantages. Their corrupt system depended on it for survival.

Come to think of it, Putin is doing the same thing. And of course we seek to gain leverage all over the place too. Just our capitalistic less corrupt system allows us to do it in a different way as you alluded to.
 
I don't remember ever having that feeling in my gut when watching a press conference like the one I got watching Trump and JD Vance berate Zelinskyy.

That just made me feel nauseous. It was awful. Probably very, very few people have seen as much violence, loss, grief and heartache over the past few years as Pres. Zelinskyy...and those clowns are upset because he doesn't say "thank you" enough?

There is something very, very wrong here. I am ashamed of my country.
 
TarSpiel said:
I don't remember ever having that feeling in my gut when watching a press conference like the one I got watching Trump and JD Vance berate Zelinskyy.

That just made me feel nauseous. It was awful. Probably very, very few people have seen as much violence, loss, grief and heartache over the past few years as Pres. Zelinskyy...and those clowns are upset because he doesn't say "thank you" enough?

There is something very, very wrong here. I am ashamed of my country.
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If you know before ever coming to the US that trump is petty and childish, is buttering up putin, and doesn't support continuing the biden approach to the war, what is the single most important thing for you to accomplish for the survival of your country? Getting that mineral rights deal signed so it will mean a US presence and infrastructure in place that in essence provides protection from future russian invasions. In reality, it doesn't matter how many times trump and vance want him to say thank you. It doesn't matter how childish trump is. Do whatever you have to to get the US's presence in ukraine. Zel let emotion get the best of him. It doesn't matter if he was right and trump was wrong. None of that matters. Just get the deal signed.
 
Trump just "paused" all U.S. aid to Ukraine. We all knew that as a Putin puppet, Trump would eventually do this when he could.

But the current aid has already been approved by Congress.
 
Maybe Z will now stop listening to his Dem allies; get on the phone and apologize to Trump so the deal can get signed; and get the process back on track.

It’s the only path forward for Ukraine.
 
Ramrouser said:
Maybe Z will now stop listening to his Dem allies; get on the phone and apologize to Trump so the deal can get signed; and get the process back on track.

It’s the only path forward for Ukraine.
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Lololol do you realize how even more pathetic than usual you are making Trump look by saying that the only path forward for one of our democratic allies is for their leader to get on the phone and apologize because the POTUS had a temper tantrum that would embarrass even a toddler?

Good Lord, how is MAGA so soft.
 
Ramrouser said:
Maybe Z will now stop listening to his Dem allies; get on the phone and apologize to Trump so the deal can get signed; and get the process back on track.

It’s the only path forward for Ukraine.
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Right. Z is the problem. Where do you get this shit? Never mind. I know where you get it.

Would you sign a deal with Trump? Deals mean nothing to him. In four hours, he's going to destroy the US Canada Mexico trade agreement HE FUCKING NEGOTIATED AND SIGNED IN HIS FIRST TERM.

He pulled the US out of the WHO for no reason. He's been cancelling contracts left and right, usually for no reason. There are American organizations going bankrupt because Trump has decided to withhold funds for no reason (and with no legal authority).

What on Earth would make you think he would honor any part of that deal. Signing a contract with Trump is to give him a free option on your dime. I wouldn't sign a contract with that piece of shit ever.

And the "minerals deal" did nothing for Ukraine anyway. It was just a shakedown. This is the "I'm going to burn down your bar because you didn't pay my mafia tax" stage.
 
Yes, he should do that as soon as Trump apologizes to the world for being such a petulant child and asshole

Trump should also apologize to every American for knocking us off as the world leader for Democracy, a position we had held for nearly a century.

Zelensky is too smart to make any deal with Trump. It is obvious to anyone wirh any sense, that Trump wants to give as much of Ukraine as his buddy Put8n can claim right now. He is also going to cut off funding no matter what.

Trump's antics are nothing more than to feed the ignorant mouth breathing MAGAts.

As a true Republican, and not a clown cultist, we should NEVER side with Russia. Hell, we were worried about doing so even against Nazi Germany. MAGA is not Republican. It is a collection of the dumbest among us.
 
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ChileG said:
Apologize for what?
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For Z’s disrespectful conduct (interrupting the POTUS, eye rolling, calling JD a “bitch”, no thank you, and failure to wear a suit when specifically asked to do so). He also needs to apologize for listening to Murphy and taking his advice.
 
Ramrouser said:
For Z’s disrespectful conduct (interrupting the POTUS, eye rolling, calling JD a “bitch”, no thank you, and failure to wear a suit when specifically asked to do so). He also needs to apologize for listening to Murphy and taking his advice.
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You know, I like you. So I’m just not going to respond to these posts any more.
 
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