Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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If you visit someone’s home and they ask you to remove your shoes upon entering, you do it. Z showed no respect to the President and the decorum inside the Oval Office. His attire was just one example of his disrespect.

It’s not soft. Reagan wouldn’t even take off his jacket in the Oval and would have had Z promptly removed upon observing his attire.
 
Ramrouser said:
If you visit someone’s home and they ask you to remove your shoes upon entering, you do it. Z showed no respect to the President and the decorum inside the Oval Office. His attire was just one example of his disrespect.

It’s not soft. Reagan wouldn’t even take off his jacket in the Oval and would have had Z promptly removed upon observing his attire.
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Ramrouser said:
If you visit someone’s home and they ask you to remove your shoes upon entering, you do it. Z showed no respect to the President and the decorum inside the Oval Office. His attire was just one example of his disrespect.

It’s not soft. Reagan wouldn’t even take off his jacket in the Oval and would have had Z promptly removed upon observing his attire.
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Your point would be better taken if Trump's handler, President Musk, wasn't routinely wearing tshirts and ball caps inside the Oval, while dragging his snot-nosed kid along to boot.

Why don't you hold President Musk to the same standard as President Zelensky?
 
Musk is a fair point but….Musk is not in the Oval asking for anything. Z is a foreign leader who’s visiting the office of his Country’s benefactor who’s received billions in aid and is asking for the US’s security guarantee.
 
Ramrouser said:
Musk is a fair point but….Musk is not in the Oval asking for anything. Z is a foreign leader who’s visiting the office of his Country’s benefactor who’s received billions in aid and is asking for the US’s security guarantee.
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No, Musk is just in the Oval Office working to rip away employment, health care, veterans benefits, and more from millions of American citizens. The least he could do is wear a suit and leave his kid at daycare.
 
Ramrouser said:
Musk is a fair point but….Musk is not in the Oval asking for anything. Z is a foreign leader who’s visiting the office of his Country’s benefactor who’s received billions in aid and is asking for the US’s security guarantee.
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And not giving his country any of that, just because Z didn't wear a suit, is absolutely loco.

BTW, how many suits do the sheikhs and emirs wear when they visit? Oh.

www.nytimes.com

Saudi Prince’s White House Visit Reinforces Trump’s Commitment to Heir Apparent (Published 2018)

The president has lavished praise on Mohammed bin Salman, who has rapidly consolidated his position as Saudi Arabia’s heir apparent.
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Ramrouser said:
Musk is a fair point but….Musk is not in the Oval asking for anything. Z is a foreign leader who’s visiting the office of his Country’s benefactor who’s received billions in aid and is asking for the US’s security guarantee.
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Elon has asked for and received quite a bit over the years.

Ukraine has received 66 billion since 2022.


Musk’s companies have received 38 billion

 
Ramrouser said:
If you visit someone’s home and they ask you to remove your shoes upon entering, you do it. Z showed no respect to the President and the decorum inside the Oval Office. His attire was just one example of his disrespect.

It’s not soft. Reagan wouldn’t even take off his jacket in the Oval and would have had Z promptly removed upon observing his attire.
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I hope I am never more concerned with appearance than with substance. I hope I am never blind to suffering because of informality. I hope I never ignore another's need because of my own insecurity. I hope I never forsake what is right for what is trivial.
 

U.S. Suspends All Military Aid to Ukraine, Trump Official Says​


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Trump Administration Updates: U.S. Suspends All Military Aid to Ukraine, Trump Official Says

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“…The United States is temporarily suspending all military aid to Ukraine, according to a senior administration official, who said the aid would not resume until President Trump determined that Ukraine had demonstrated a commitment to peace negotiations with Russia. The order takes effect immediately and affects more than $1 billion in arms and ammunition in the pipeline and on order. Mr. Trump’s directive also halts hundreds of millions of dollars in aid that Kyiv can use only to buy new military hardware directly from U.S. defense companies. The decision comes amid the fallout of a heated Oval Office meeting on Friday between Mr. Trump and President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine. …”
 
Ramrouser said:
If you visit someone’s home and they ask you to remove your shoes upon entering, you do it. Z showed no respect to the President and the decorum inside the Oval Office. His attire was just one example of his disrespect.

It’s not soft. Reagan wouldn’t even take off his jacket in the Oval and would have had Z promptly removed upon observing his attire.
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If the main thing you are upset about that meeting was Z’s clothing you are just fucking stupid. Did Trump show him any respect? Hell no!! This is a man who has been fighting for 3 years to keep his county from being swallowed up by a brutal dictator. He knows what courage means. Trump and Vance have no fucking clue what word means. JFC!! You MAGA’s are so fucking stupid it is beyond comprehension:
 
nycfan said:

U.S. Suspends All Military Aid to Ukraine, Trump Official Says​


www.nytimes.com

Trump Administration Updates: U.S. Suspends All Military Aid to Ukraine, Trump Official Says

www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

“…The United States is temporarily suspending all military aid to Ukraine, according to a senior administration official, who said the aid would not resume until President Trump determined that Ukraine had demonstrated a commitment to peace negotiations with Russia. The order takes effect immediately and affects more than $1 billion in arms and ammunition in the pipeline and on order. Mr. Trump’s directive also halts hundreds of millions of dollars in aid that Kyiv can use only to buy new military hardware directly from U.S. defense companies. The decision comes amid the fallout of a heated Oval Office meeting on Friday between Mr. Trump and President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine. …”
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It’s all so fucking gross. Why are we doing every single thing Putin wants? Why are we aligning with Russia?
 
Ramrouser said:
If you visit someone’s home and they ask you to remove your shoes upon entering, you do it. Z showed no respect to the President and the decorum inside the Oval Office. His attire was just one example of his disrespect.

It’s not soft. Reagan wouldn’t even take off his jacket in the Oval and would have had Z promptly removed upon observing his attire.
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Patb78 said:
If the main thing you are upset about that meeting was Z’s clothing you are just fucking stupid. Did Trump show him any respect? Hell no!! This is a man who has been fighting for 3 years to keep his county from being swallowed up by a brutal dictator. He knows what courage means. Trump and Vance have no fucking clue what word means. JFC!! You MAGA’s are so fucking stupid it is beyond comprehension:
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It’s not the main thing, just one of many slights and mistakes on Z’s part. Y’all are focusing on it.

Having said that, if a bride’s family invited you to a wedding and the invitation clearly stated the attire was formal/semi formal, do you show up dressed like Fetterman? Does it change your opinion if the bride allows her eccentric nephew (on the spectrum) to wear what he wants? Good manners count.
 
Ramrouser said:
It’s not the main thing, just one of many slights and mistakes on Z’s part. Y’all are focusing on it.

Having said that, if a bride’s family invited you to a wedding and the invitation clearly stated the attire was formal/semi formal, do you show up dressed like Fetterman? Does it change your opinion if the bride allows her eccentric nephew (on the spectrum) to wear what he wants? Good manners count.
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Just so we’re clear here, you’re totally ignoring the facts that:

  • Trump tried to withhold funding from Ukraine if Zelensky didn’t start up (or at least publicly announce he was starting up) a bogus investigation into the Biden family.
  • Trump has repeatedly taken Putin’s side in virtually everything, including his invasion of Ukraine.
  • Trump has blamed Zelensky for the war, and has called him a dictator.
  • Trump offered Zelensky a “deal” that included handing over mineral rights without a guarantee of future support, should Putin break the deal (as he’s done repeatedly since 2014).

But yeah, Zelensky disrespected Trump by not dressing up in a suit while kneeling down to kiss his ring and thank him for the opportunity to be sodomized on live global broadcast TV.
 
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Ramrouser said:
Having said that, if a bride’s family invited you to a wedding and the invitation clearly stated the attire was formal/semi formal, do you show up dressed like Fetterman? Does it change your opinion if the bride allows her eccentric nephew (on the spectrum) to wear what he wants? Good manners count.
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Suppose you do show up in whatever Z was wearing. Would you expect the bride to kick you out, torch your car, and kick you in the nuts? Oh, you wouldn't? That would be illegal, in addition to rude and way, way, way more obnoxious than whatever outfit you were wearing. It would also be universally considered an overreaction, and nobody in their right mind would support her.
 
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