Who gives a fuck what he had on? The man is trying to prevent his country from falling to a murdering dictator. And as for your last sentence, Trump sure as shit didn’t show any manners. What was Z suppose to do? Grovel on the floor before Trump like Gollum wanting to swear on The Precious? But if that’s the best you can come up with, then you know your god figure screwed the pooch.
Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”
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Duke Mu
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We have to start thinking about
1) Trump as a Manchurian Candidate (if we haven't 9-10 years ago)
2) Putin coup from the inside.
Duke Mu
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A protection racket...without the "protection" part.
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Zelensky dresses the way he does because he is respecting the way his war torn country has to dress
jesus-look at orangeturds spray on tan and screwed up prissy , transvetite like hair
Doesn't that make you pause?
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superrific
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Who will cave? Trump? Then why is he going through all this, giving the whole country indigestion.
And if you're referring to Z, then you should be ashamed of yourself. What Trump is doing is not virtuous. At best, it's kicking folks when they're down. We should not hope Z has to cave.
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Even if he does, why the fuck would you think that Zelensky was the disrespectful party in the negotiation?
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Well its like a wedding , disrespectful
Jesus
Callatoroy
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“Months after war broke out between Russia and Ukraine, then-President Joe Biden had a fiery private phone call with Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, which included Biden allegedly losing "his temper" and calling on Ukraine to "show a little more gratitude" towards the U.S. for its support, a resurfaced 2022 NBC News report shows.’
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Great book!!
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It’s pretty self evident. You don’t lecture and argue with the potus and vp in his office on national TV for any reason. Doesn’t matter if you like him or not. You can call his mother a whore if you want behind closed doors but not in his office and on TV. So yes, trump and Vance weren’t the only ones being disrespectful. Zel represented the disrespect quite well.
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I recall the conversation, as reported, as going something like this:
Z: We need to be able to strike targets inside Russia. Please take that condition off.
B: I won't.
Z: But then we will not be able to win, and your weaponry won't be useful.
B: I can't risk starting a broader war
Z: I thought you were helping us.
B: We are helping you. Show a little more gratitude.
And if the conversation went like that, I've no problem with either person's behavior. Obviously they didn't do it in public, and Biden didn't seem to let it affect his policy. So what happens behind closed doors doesn't really matter. Until you're put in the situation where you have to have these discussions, you shouldn't judge.
The problem isn't that Trump was rude to Z. Personally, I think the thing about the attire is stupid, but if Trump felt the need to dress Z down backstage, that's boorish but not a national emergency so long as they walk out to do what they were supposed to do. The problem is he did it out in the open, and he's now letting it affect our policy, which is an absolute no-no. Or, more likely, it was a ruse to create an excuse for Trump doing Putin's bidding, which is even worse. Either way, it's categorically different and more harmful.
The key word here is private. That’s when you vent differences. Not in a public forum.
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Fox News doing damage control here just goes to underscore how completely shameful Trump and Vance were.
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That analogy only works if someone from the Trump admin asked Z to wear a suit to the meeting and he refused to do it.
A more apt analogy would be if you threw a dinner party where people were dressed up nicely, and one of your guests who came a long way showed up in a t-shirt and shorts. Are you going to be rude and unwelcoming toward your guest, or are you going to be a gracious host?
There was nothing disrespectful about what Zelensky was wearing. He’s been trying to lead a country that was attacked by another country led by a tyrant and is in a fight— within its borders— to maintain its sovereignty and its territory. He was wearing what he has been wearing for the past 2+ years. No one with at least half a brain and a trace of humanity should give a shit about what Zelensky was wearing. And the fact is they wouldn’t have, but MAGA has identified Zelensky a someone that Trump doesn’t like so that gives them a stupid reason to mindlessly fall in line with the MAGA pile-on. He is (or least was) an ally who came as a guest and should have been treated with respect, as an ally and guest should be treated, but he was instead treated like shit. It was beyond shameful.
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I have already voiced that trump and Vance f’ed up but that doesn’t mean Zel wasn’t also disrespectful
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We aren’t aligning with Russia. We are trying to create some space between China and Russia. After all is said and done, Russia will be the loser on the world stage and won’t have conquered Ukraine.
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It is clear we are aligning with Russia
No doubt
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Name one thing he did that was disrespectful. He got ambushed and unfairly ridiculed and berated. Yet he held it together pretty well, especially considering he was trying to communicate in a second language and has probably barely slept over the past 2+ years.