Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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nycfan said:


This Vance insult is upsetting a lot of folks in Europe whose troops have fought alongside America after 9/11 and otherwise over the last 25 years.
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What exactly does Ukraine get out of this deal if there are no security guarantees?
 
Callatoroy said:
I think the left should start another Russian investigation. Adam Shiff would be a good choice to lead that investigation.
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Why? The Mueller Report already laid it all out in cold hard FACTS. It's not the Dems fault the MAGA cult is imperivous to facts. No need to waste tax payer money like Comer did with the Biden investigation that found bupkis.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
That is really bad and folks in Europe that contributed significantly to Afghanistan and Iraq should pillory him for it.

Assuming no one wants to argue that point, is he right? I really don't think he is. Will the US really be willing to get into a shooting war with Russia for rare Earth minerals? I hope not. There are other places to find those things. They really aren't that rare.
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Sure, we could get those resources in countries where we’ve spent decades wisely deploying soft power. Oh, never mind.
 
Callatoroy said:
I think the left should start another Russian investigation. Adam Shiff would be a good choice to lead that investigation.
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I hear Schiff is going to produce the smoking gun any....... day..........................now.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
Sure, we could get those resources in countries where we’ve spent decades wisely deploying soft power. Oh, never mind.
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I think with some delicate diplomatic efforts, we might be able to build a mine or two in Wyoming. But I could be wrong. I haven't been able to find any articles about any soft power we may have built up in Cheyenne.

www.theearthandi.org

Estimated 2.34 billion Metric Tons of Rare Earth Minerals Discovered in US

An estimated 2.34 billion metric tons of rare earth minerals (REMs) were recently discovered near Wheatland, a town in southeastern Wyoming.
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MOUNTAINH33L said:
Why? The Mueller Report already laid it all out in cold hard FACTS. It's not the Dems fault the MAGA cult is imperivous to facts. No need to waste tax payer money like Comer did with the Biden investigation that found bupkis.
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Yes.... yes it did.

As set forth in detail in this repo1t, the Special Counsel's investigation established thatRussia interfere~ in the 2016 presidential election principally through two operations. First, aRussian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J.Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. Second, a Russian intelligenceservice conducted computer-intrusion operations against entities, employees, and volunteers working on the Clinton Campaign and then released stolen documents. The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign. Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
What exactly does Ukraine get out of this deal if there are no security guarantees?
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Why do you think there is no security? Guarantee basically means informal nato membership except without Europe. That is unreasonable for Zel to expect that. What does Ukraine get?
1. Security from our presence in ukraine
2. The resources to extract the minerals that they can’t get to now
3. Economic partnership that will far outlast trump
4. Not losing more territory than they already have
5. The winner as viewed by the rest of the world.

Kind of the best possible outcome given that nato membership and Russia pulling back to original borders is not a possibility for ending the war
 
BlooVooDoo said:
My daughter has plans to go to Europe this summer. I’m starting to think it might not be safe for Americans in the coming months.
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Does emotion dictate everything with you guys. Lol at wondering if safe to travel to Europe. Europe is likely safer than being in the US
 
Callatoroy said:
Why do you think there is no security? Guarantee basically means informal nato membership except without Europe. That is unreasonable for Zel to expect that. What does Ukraine get?
1. Security from our presence in ukraine
2. The resources to extract the minerals that they can’t get to now
3. Economic partnership that will far outlast trump
4. Not losing more territory than they already have
5. The winner as viewed by the rest of the world.

Kind of the best possible outcome given that nato membership and Russia pulling back to original borders is not a possibility for ending the war
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Without further military aid or US/NATO boots in Ukraine, why would Putin stop short of his goal? No American companies are going to go there, build infrastructure and extract valuable resources without full confidence Putin won’t kill or kidnap them, steal equipment or the mined minerals.
 
Callatoroy said:
I think the left should start another Russian investigation. Adam Shiff would be a good choice to lead that investigation.
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Why bother Dems could find solid proof Trump was screwing dead children in front of their parents and you MAGAts would say they deserved it. There is no crime he can commit you won’t defend.
 
ZenMode said:
Yes.... yes it did.

As set forth in detail in this repo1t, the Special Counsel's investigation established thatRussia interfere~ in the 2016 presidential election principally through two operations. First, aRussian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J.Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. Second, a Russian intelligenceservice conducted computer-intrusion operations against entities, employees, and volunteers working on the Clinton Campaign and then released stolen documents. The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign. Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.
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They don’t care about that last comment but will claim they are driven by facts.
 
MOUNTAINH33L said:
Yeah I'm a bit skeptical of the sources too, but I'll be completely honest here. I want it to be true because I feel like it is.
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Totally sympathetic to that notion. But I also think it's unlikely. We've had defectors come over. We've had some pretty deep electronic intelligence including stuff that we certainly don't know about. I think Obama and Biden would have released the information and should have released the information if there was solid stuff.

Three people that claim to be ex-kgb agents making claims without hard evidence doesn't really meet the extraordinary proof required for extraordinary claims threshold. Especially since there's a real case to be made that impugning Trump further exploits America's divisions and helps Russia.
 
HandsonFire said:
Why bother Dems could find solid proof Trump was screwing dead children in front of their parents and you MAGAts would say they deserved it. There is no crime he can commit you won’t defend.
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And there is no trump rumor you won’t convince yourselves isn’t true
 
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