Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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CFordUNC said:
Cannot believe some tubby effeminate loser who wears eyeliner and makeup is lecturing anyone in Europe about anything.
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The guy was a marine. Or at least he took pictures and kept the group’s diary up to date and the biggest risks he faced were paper cuts and broken nails, but still. You’d think he’d show a little more respect for people who serve.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
Without further military aid or US/NATO boots in Ukraine, why would Putin stop short of his goal? No American companies are going to go there, build infrastructure and extract valuable resources without full confidence Putin won’t kill or kidnap them, steal equipment or the mined minerals.
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And Putin isn’t going to attack us companies that the US G’ment will protect.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Lols. Those are some sources. I was a little skeptical but its the Kyiv Post and Hindustan times. Absolutely ironclad.
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I'll agree, those two are dodgy. But there are several others. How about The Hill.com? It usually receives good ratings for truth, accuracy and middle of the road media bias. The "fact" is, the two former KGB did make the claims. After Mussayev made his claim, another ex-KGB officer living in France, Sergei Zhyrnov came out to corroborate. Are their claims true? Perhaps. But the FACT is, they did make the claims.

Call out the two former KGBers as liars if you will, but you can't question the fact that they did indeed say what they said.
 
Born in 1959, I recall the Cold War. I remember videos of Nikita Khrushchev saying "we will bury you". That video was re-played over and over again in the 1960's. I vaguely recall hiding under my desk in kindergarten during a "nuclear attack" drill. I recall houses and homes that were built in the late 1950's and early 1960's with bomb shelters. I was brought up under the threat of the Cuban Missile Crisis. I remember all too well Walter Cronkite on CBS news and stories of the KGB, the USSR, the Cold War... Russia was (and still is) our enemy. I remember seeing George C. Scott in the movie "Patton" in 1970 and I recall his famous line: "We may have been fighting the wrong enemy all along. But while we're here (on the Soviet border), we should go after the bastards..."
My father, may he rest in peace, was in the U.S. Army during the Korean War. He served Stateside and never saw combat, but never-the-less he was in the military while the U.S. was at war with North Korea.
And now, the U.S. Government just voted at the United Nations against a U.N. resolution - along with Russia and... North Korea? Really? We are now part of the "Axis of Evil" - a term another Republican President once coined.
So now, 65 years after I was born, we've come full circle. Russia and North Korea are no longer enemies. They are our friends. Our Cohorts. Our Comrades. Really, America???
My father is surely rolling over in his grave.
I say Fuck Trump! And Fuck all those who voted for him. I know for a fact my father didn't vote for the grifter. My dad was life-long Republican, but in his last days, he admitted to me that he had voted for Obama - twice. And he told me he didn't vote for Trump in 2016. I'm 100% sure he didn't vote for Trump in 2020. One month after the election, my father passed away. Thankfully, Biden won. Thankfully, my father didn't live to see the debacle on Jan 6, 2021.
My father didn't cuss like I do... (sorry, I spent too much time in Europe around Brits, Scots, Dutchies and Irishmen). However I believe if he were still with us, he would join me and Robert DeNiro at the Tony Awards: Fuck Trump!
 
Centerpiece said:
I'll agree, those two are dodgy. But there are several others. How about The Hill.com? It usually receives good ratings for truth, accuracy and middle of the road media bias. The "fact" is, the two former KGB did make the claims. After Mussayev made his claim, another ex-KGB officer living in France, Sergei Zhyrnov came out to corroborate. Are their claims true? Perhaps. But the FACT is, they did make the claims.

Call out the two former KGBers as liars if you will, but you can't question the fact that they did indeed say what they said.
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Completely agree. But I think the fact that you're not seeing an explosive claim at A1 of the New York Times speaks to the credibility or at least the ability to corroborate the claims.
 
Callatoroy said:
Why do you think there is no security? Guarantee basically means informal nato membership except without Europe. That is unreasonable for Zel to expect that. What does Ukraine get?
1. Security from our presence in ukraine
2. The resources to extract the minerals that they can’t get to now
3. Economic partnership that will far outlast trump
4. Not losing more territory than they already have
5. The winner as viewed by the rest of the world.

Kind of the best possible outcome given that nato membership and Russia pulling back to original borders is not a possibility for ending the war
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How can you type any of that and live with knowing what a brainwashed sad coward you are.
 
Callatoroy said:
And Putin isn’t going to attack us companies that the US G’ment will protect.
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That definitely worked in February 2022.

www.forbes.com

Anticipated Russian Invasion Creates Crisis For U.S. Companies In Ukraine

The anticipated invasion of Ukraine by Russia has created a crisis for U.S. companies with offices or employees in that country. Protecting their staff and assets — or moving them out of Ukraine as soon as possible — has become a top priority for business leaders.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
 
lawtig02 said:
That definitely worked in February 2022.

www.forbes.com

Anticipated Russian Invasion Creates Crisis For U.S. Companies In Ukraine

The anticipated invasion of Ukraine by Russia has created a crisis for U.S. companies with offices or employees in that country. Protecting their staff and assets — or moving them out of Ukraine as soon as possible — has become a top priority for business leaders.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
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Legitimately becoming impressed at the manner in which quite literally everything calla says on this board is proven to have been the exact opposite happen in reality. That actually takes some skill and talent to be that hilariously wrong that frequently.
 
Ramrouser said:
For Z’s disrespectful conduct (interrupting the POTUS, eye rolling, calling JD a “bitch”, no thank you, and failure to wear a suit when specifically asked to do so). He also needs to apologize for listening to Murphy and taking his advice.
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How do we know he was asked to? You going to believe the White House? And if true, that's rather odd that Trump didn't ask the Indian Prime Minister to wear a suit or at least a tie in the Oval with Trump and Musk.

Now you could say suit and ties are not Indian dress. But I rather doubt in the middle of a war with bombardment, running to air raid shelters and all that, that anyone in Ukraine is much wearing a suit and tie. Wearing a uniform is standard practice in war time. And powerful world symbol to boot. For any world leader involved in a war to go outside his country wearing formal wear would promote the message that their war really isn't serious.

There's a serious double standard going on with your argument.
 
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