SCOTUS case: Trans rights for minors

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EhringhausSouth said:
I agree with the above poster. As a high school teacher, 10 years ago, no transgenders, all of a sudden, we got a handful. It is a contagion of some sort.
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This has been posted before, but take a look at the prevalence of left-handedness over the course of the 20th century:

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Was there a contagion of left-handedness starting in 1920? You're supposedly intelligent, being a teacher and all. Can you think of an explanation for this data about handedness? Can you think of how it might apply to explain the observations you report above (which are almost certainly exaggerated and/or fabricated, but whatever)? Come on. You have a college degree. This is not a hard question. It's not even college-level.
 
superrific said:
1. Western European countries are not in fact pausing hormone treatments. That's a lie.
2. Even if they were, since when do you give a fuck about what Western European countries do? When have you ever changed a position of yours after being shown that France does something different?

3. The suicide risk decreases after the treatments. If the risk is 20x cis before, and 12x cis after, what do you think has happened? In a related question, did you pass Algebra I?
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Ignoring your usual d-bag comments....

One country has paused, as noted below. Others have already begun restrictions as is noted in the same article.

Scotland Pauses Gender Medications for Minors
The change followed a sweeping review by England’s National Health Service that found “remarkably weak” evidence for youth gender treatments.

Scotland’s new changes go further, pausing prescriptions of puberty blockers while also restricting hormone therapies until teenagers turn 18. The changes will not affect patients already getting these medications from the country’s Young People Gender Service.

www.nytimes.com

Scotland Pauses Gender Medications for Minors

The change followed a sweeping review by England’s National Health Service that found “remarkably weak” evidence for youth gender treatments.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
ZenMode said:
Ignoring your usual d-bag comments....

One country has paused, as noted below. Others have already begun restrictions as is noted in the same article.

Scotland Pauses Gender Medications for Minors
The change followed a sweeping review by England’s National Health Service that found “remarkably weak” evidence for youth gender treatments.

Scotland’s new changes go further, pausing prescriptions of puberty blockers while also restricting hormone therapies until teenagers turn 18. The changes will not affect patients already getting these medications from the country’s Young People Gender Service.

www.nytimes.com

Scotland Pauses Gender Medications for Minors

The change followed a sweeping review by England’s National Health Service that found “remarkably weak” evidence for youth gender treatments.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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I just looked at the UN register of countries. There was no "Scotland" listed. Maybe you can help out here. Who is president of Scotland? Is Scotland a member of any alliances? How potent is its military? Does it have a trade deficit with the US or a trade surplus. So many questions.
 
ZenMode said:
Social contagion is an ubiquitous process by which information, such as attitudes, emotions, or behaviors, are rapidly spread throughout a group from one member to others without rational thought and reason.
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So in other words, the transmission of anti-trans bullshit to you and other posters.

You just referred to Scotland as a country. You should probably sit this one out.
 
superrific said:
I just looked at the UN register of countries. There was no "Scotland" listed. Maybe you can help out here. Who is president of Scotland? Is Scotland a member of any alliances? How potent is its military? Does it have a trade deficit with the US or a trade surplus. So many questions.
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Scotland is one of the four countries of the UK. It is on the island called Great Britain, with England and Wales. Scotland has coasts on the North Sea and the Atlantic Ocean. Nearly half of the people in Scotland live near the coast.
 
ZenMode said:
Ignoring your usual d-bag comments....
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If I ignored your d-bag comments, I'd have to put you on super-ignore.

You probably don't get this because of your main character syndrome, but trans people, or people with trans people in their lives, would consider everything you've posted on this thread to be d-baggery of a far higher order than I could ever achieve by calling into question your reasoning skills. When you are telling them that their personal identity is a lie, that they have been victims of medical fraud, that the doctors who have treated them with care and empathy -- those are enormously d-bag comments. Those comments themselves probably have more d-baggery in them than the entirety of my posts on this board.
 
ZenMode said:
Scotland is one of the four countries of the UK. It is on the island called Great Britain, with England and Wales. Scotland has coasts on the North Sea and the Atlantic Ocean. Nearly half of the people in Scotland live near the coast.
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So other than message board posters desperate to defend indefensible views, could you please point me to any international bodies that recognize Scotland as a country. What's the US position on Scotland? Do we recognize Scotland as a country?

Or maybe Scotland is akin to Texas or California, except they use the word "country" where we use the word state. Have you been fooled by that terminology?
 
superrific said:
So in other words, the transmission of anti-trans bullshit to you and other posters.

You just referred to Scotland as a country. You should probably sit this one out.
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"So other than message board posters desperate to defend indefensible views, could you please point me to any international bodies that recognize Scotland as a country. What's the US position on Scotland? Do we recognize Scotland as a country?"

Which countries make up the United Kingdom?
The United Kingdom (UK) is made up of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

www.government.nl

Which countries make up the United Kingdom?

The United Kingdom (UK) is made up of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
www.government.nl www.government.nl
 
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superrific said:
So in other words, the transmission of anti-trans bullshit to you and other posters.

You just referred to Scotland as a country. You should probably sit this one out.
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"So other than message board posters desperate to defend indefensible views, could you please point me to any international bodies that recognize Scotland as a country. What's the US position on Scotland? Do we recognize Scotland as a country?"

Oh, and you can take up your complaint with the CIA, also:

the percentage area breakdown of the four UK countries is: England 53%, Scotland 32%, Wales 9%, and Northern Ireland 6%

United Kingdom - The World Factbook

www.cia.gov www.cia.gov
 
ZenMode said:
Sure, that's your opinion. Again, being a teenager is difficult and confusing. There's a lot going on in their bodies and minds. There's also a social contagion aspect of transgenderism that seems to be more prevalent. Doctors are great, but they aren't perfect.

I'll also add that at least two studies have shown that the odds of suicide actually increase after gender transition surgeries. That also points to the fact that there's something else going on that we don't fully understand in the situation, when we're are removing breasts and transforming genitals of kids.
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You have already conceded that the Supreme Court case is about puberty blockers and hormone therapy (and you said you supported access to these). Why do you keep making arguments about surgery on minors?
 
superrific said:
So in other words, the transmission of anti-trans bullshit to you and other posters.

You just referred to Scotland as a country. You should probably sit this one out.
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"So other than message board posters desperate to defend indefensible views, could you please point me to any international bodies that recognize Scotland as a country. What's the US position on Scotland? Do we recognize Scotland as a country?"

You can take up your complaint with... well... the UK itself:

General information​

The country’s official name is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It comprises four countries: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. In addition to English, there are other official languages, including Welsh, Scottish Gaelic and Cornish.

www.bundesregierung.de

United Kingdom

www.bundesregierung.de www.bundesregierung.de
 
superrific said:
So in other words, the transmission of anti-trans bullshit to you and other posters.

You just referred to Scotland as a country. You should probably sit this one out.
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"So other than message board posters desperate to defend indefensible views, could you please point me to any international bodies that recognize Scotland as a country. What's the US position on Scotland? Do we recognize Scotland as a country?"

You can also take up your complaint with the government of Scotland:

The context – Scotland’s unique position​

Scotland is a country within the multinational state of the United Kingdom. Following centuries as an independent nation, in 1707 the Scottish Parliament voted in favour of political union with England. Notwithstanding that political union, Scotland has retained distinctive Scottish national institutions and systems including legal and education systems and the church.

www.gov.scot

Building a New Scotland: an independent Scotland in the EU

This paper sets out the Scottish Government’s proposals for citizenship in an independent Scotland.
www.gov.scot www.gov.scot
 
It’s incredible to me, in the Year of Our Lord 2024, that we still have posters on this board propagating the old debunked theory that homosexuality, and now transgenderism, can be “spread” through peer pressure or some sort of “social contagion.” As if, the social derision and outright abuse that those people receive from our close-minded society is ever something that one would openly embrace as a trend.

Fuck, we’ve got some apes among us.
 
ZenMode said:

The context – Scotland’s unique position​

Scotland is a country within the multinational state of the United Kingdom. Following centuries as an independent nation, in 1707 the Scottish Parliament voted in favour of political union with England. Notwithstanding that political union, Scotland has retained distinctive Scottish national institutions and systems including legal and education systems and the church.

www.gov.scot

Building a New Scotland: an independent Scotland in the EU

This paper sets out the Scottish Government’s proposals for citizenship in an independent Scotland.
www.gov.scot www.gov.scot
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Scotland is a country in the exact same way that Puerto Rico is a country. I'm not getting into this because you're obviously retconning an errant post, but territorial governments cannot just declare themselves countries in any meaningful sense of the word. When you refer to Western European countries, that term has a definite meaning and it does not include Scotland.

There are two things a territorial institution requires to be country. First, sovereignty over its territory. Second, international recognition of its status as a country. Scotland has neither. Scotland wants neither. This is not a controversial question. That the regional governments of the UK want to call themselves "countries" instead of "states" (US) or "provinces" makes not a whit of difference.
 
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