SCOTUS case: Trans rights for minors

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UNCatTech said:
I'm sure every case is unique and family dynamics are unique.

I would hope that if my child were in this situation, that they would come to us. But then my wife and I are not the types that would try and control the situation and force our preferred outcome on the situation.
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Think back several years…..or, think about the parents in the church you used to attend.

How many of those parents would freak out at the idea of a trans child or a pregnant teenage daughter?
 
Zoo_View said:
Think back several years…..or, think about the parents in the church you used to attend.

How many of those parents would freak out at the idea of a trans child or a pregnant teenage daughter?
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True. Several actually did.

It's interesting that from that church, we know 4 couples who have LBGTQ children.
 
superrific said:
I don't even understand why you would be asking this question. One reason they aren't gotcha questions is they can't possibly "get" anyone.

1. Liberals think trans and abortion should both be legal and available. So there's no question of hypocrisy. It's not as if we are saying, "trans people should get care, but similarly situated cis women shouldn't." We're saying, "everyone should get care."

2. Whether or not the child makes the decision by theirself or has parental involvement doesn't seem like an important issue in this debate at all. What about the position that "it's not the state's business" is taking sides about whether parents should be involved? That's not the issue. I mean, if you want to make it the issue, I don't really care. It would change nothing, because parental consent is already required. It's required 99% of the time for medical care for minors.

3. The reason that abortion is treated differently -- well, one reason I suppose -- is that parents often have ulterior agendas on this one. Some significant percentage of girls who secretly get abortions are impregnated by their father or a c

Does this answer your curiosity questions?
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I wasn't asking for answers, just opinions. And now I have yours.

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ZenMode said:
I'm sure there are kids who truly, from the age they are able to speak and understand gender, feel like they are in the wrong body. I'm also confident that some portion of the rapidly increasing transgender population is not in the category of the aforementioned example.

The problem differentiating between the two categories to ensure that life-changing surgeries are only being performed when it's appropriate.

I wouldn't expect the government to look at the situation and decide the course of action. It would be a matter of the government outlawing surgeries until the person is an adult.

I found a Reuters article that shows, between 2019 and 2021, 56 genital surgeries and 776 mastectomies on 13-17 year olds.
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In February 2026, the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS) issued a position statement recommending that surgeons delay gender-related breast/chest, genital, and facial surgeries until a patient is at least 19 years old.

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In February 2026, the American Medical Association (AMA) stated that, due to insufficient evidence, gender-affirming surgical interventions for minors should generally be deferred until adulthood. While supporting evidence-based, gender-affirming care, the AMA aligned with the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS) in recommending this approach. This marks a shift toward caution regarding surgical procedures for transgender minors.


Good to see that the medical world is joining the evil, transphobic Republicans in a common sense position.
 
ZenMode said:
Google AI

In February 2026, the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS) issued a position statement recommending that surgeons delay gender-related breast/chest, genital, and facial surgeries until a patient is at least 19 years old.

Full ASPS statement

Full AMA statement
In February 2026, the American Medical Association (AMA) stated that, due to insufficient evidence, gender-affirming surgical interventions for minors should generally be deferred until adulthood. While supporting evidence-based, gender-affirming care, the AMA aligned with the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS) in recommending this approach. This marks a shift toward caution regarding surgical procedures for transgender minors.


Good to see that the medical world is joining the evil, transphobic Republicans in a common sense position.
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As you are aware, surgical intervention in minors is vanishingly rare. Republicans also oppose options short of surgery, including puberty blockers, which is not mentioned here in the slightest.

Are you fine banning nose jobs and breast augmentation for minors?
 
Nose jobs and breast augmentation are not irreversible changes. I'm not sure why a minor should be getting breast surgery if it's purely cosmetic but regardless it can be reversed if they later decide it wasn't the right decision. As I've always said I'm a liberal but I ain't no Carrboro liberal. I'd prefer for people to have a completely formed brain before they chop their dick off. However, anything truly reversible I'm fine with for minors.
 
ZenMode said:
Google AI

In February 2026, the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS) issued a position statement recommending that surgeons delay gender-related breast/chest, genital, and facial surgeries until a patient is at least 19 years old.

Full ASPS statement

Full AMA statement
In February 2026, the American Medical Association (AMA) stated that, due to insufficient evidence, gender-affirming surgical interventions for minors should generally be deferred until adulthood. While supporting evidence-based, gender-affirming care, the AMA aligned with the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS) in recommending this approach. This marks a shift toward caution regarding surgical procedures for transgender minors.


Good to see that the medical world is joining the evil, transphobic Republicans in a common sense position.
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Do you ever argue in good faith?

Republicans are indeed transphobic in every possible way. Physicians align with them on something that 99% of the population agrees on and that occurs less than 300 times per year in a nation of 300 million. That is only worth mentioning if you are intentionally trying to be divisive and dickish.

I don't know anyone who supports surgical intervention being some commonplace treatment (or even an outlier) for Trans minors. I do recognize that some people might be afraid of an outright ban because of the infringement on the domain of Healthcare patient/doctor relationships. Even those arguments are rare.

So...surgical intervention shouldn't happen in children for Trans issues. Full stop.

Republicans are absolutely Trans phobic and have been mean, hurtful, and wildly discriminatory in their approach. Equal full stop.
 
roostra said:
As you are aware, surgical intervention in minors is vanishingly rare. Republicans also oppose options short of surgery, including puberty blockers, which is not mentioned here in the slightest.

Are you fine banning nose jobs and breast augmentation for minors?
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And yeah, id honestly personally be fine (in theory) banning such things for purely cosmetic reasons because I think the vast majority of those lead to worse body issues down the road. Let children make their own decisions about surgery when they are an adult. My only reluctance about a ban is that there are always outlier cases where medical provider, parent, and child are of one accord that cosmetic alteration is best for the child and cannot wait. I'd hate to punish those kids.
 
Finally the fever has broken and common sense returns on eliminating these surgeries.

Now, if we could just stop pumping mentally ill teens with gender changing hormones we can reduce trans mass shootings.
 
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